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Old 05-14-2011, 11:59 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Oh sweet, another Machida vs Jones thread. Golly I sure wish this fight wasn't a year + away, then maybe this wouldn't feel like a WAY too early discussion.

But all sarcasm aside, Machida has all the tools to defeat Jones, more readily than anyone else in the division by a long shot. He's got the best takedown defense in the sport and the some of the best pacing and control in the game as well. His in and out style has proven its effectiveness, and this new aggressive ellusive style he aappeared to attempt in Shogun #2 and showed clearly against Couture makes him even more dangerous.

The only other fighter I think would have a shot would be Rampage. With Rampage this is soley based on the fact that he has proven he's willing to take a huge amount of punishment from his opponent's to get into his range and wing those power hooks. He's proven over and over he will try, and will succeed. Rampage also has notoriously good takedown defense, the only time I've seen him look bad was against Evans due to crazy ring rust and a general laziness on Rampage's part in training.

Outside of those two, stylistically, there's very few fighters who are better than Jones. A 100% Shogun is intriging. His performance against Griffin will show if and how much he will have improved with a new camp and hopefully some semblance of a gas tank. Beyond them, Griffin IMO doesn't have the kind of explosiveness you need to get to the inside on Jones, nor do I think he's durabl enough to endure the abuse he'd take.

Jones definitely has the potential to be the next Chuck Liddell or Tito Ortiz of the LHW division. But he's still very young and even with what he has under his belt, is very much a journeyman as an MMA fighter.
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Old 05-14-2011, 04:21 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Lyoto will always pose a unique problem for any opponent, and it's true that Lyoto, sylistically, gives JBJ alot of problems. However what people are failing to realise is that JBJ also poses so many unique problems for Machida.. this would be a great fight but i see a decisive win for JBJ.
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I on the other hand think, that Machida could be the one who gives Jones the most trouble. Why¿ Because he fights differently than the others. Most other opponents met Jones' force with force, but pure physical power is Jones's domain. In addition, while Jones' striking is technically not very sound yet, his willingness and joy in trying things out gives him a bigger striking arsenal than most other fighters use. That, even if technically not perfect, gives him an advantage when standing toe to toe and trading strikes with him. So his former opponents played his game, Machida doesn't. Machida's fighting style is not meant to step into Jones' domain, it's almost the exact opposite. The elusiveness is what could give Jones big trouble.

It's still a fight though and maybe Jones can put a pressure on Machida which the latter can not avoid, but stylistically Machida could pretty much be the answer to Jones.
I like what I read. Machida offers a very different fighting style that only Shogun has figured out til now. I saw Randy and Rampage try the same plan, bum rushing with 1 and 2's. They all missed. Can JBJ do it, of course he has a good chance. But I can really see Machida capitalizing on some technical mistakes. JBJ seems like he launches random attacks in homage to Anderson Silva. So far it's working, but I really think he's gonna be in for a bit of an awakening.
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Old 05-15-2011, 12:52 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Wow I cant beleive how much JBJ is being criticized jeez. If you came in here you would think his 13-1 and winning of the LHW title were flukes.Jones did something Machida couldnt destroy Shogun and I know you cant use MMA math. But come on its not gonna be easy to get inside that 84 1/2 reach. And at this point I think JBJ has some of the best wrestling in the division. He made Bader and Hamill look like they have never wrestled b4.I really think Machida could have a problem with it. And both men have unorthodox striking which is not being brought up. I think everybody is underestimating JBJ and overrating Machida after a win over a 47 year old.War Jon Bones Jones
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Old 05-15-2011, 12:54 AM   #15 (permalink)
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This has already been said in this thread but I want reiterate an extremely important element of this matchup. You cannot hit or takedown what you can't catch. We all know that if a great wrestler got Machida down then he'd probably be out of a lot of real danger. The thing is, like Randy just found out, its EXTREMELY difficult to tie up Machida. I could definitley see JBJ getting frustrated and rushing in for a power double and eating some knees and uppercuts that would put him in trouble. This fight has yet to happen so we don't know the facts yet, but itd be safe to say that if Machida can frustrate JBJ and stay on the outside with his illusiveness, JBJ may lose the strap.
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I think one advantage Jones will have over every other opponent Machida has ever faced is that he is supremely confident in his striking. He throws crazy shot, leaving himself temporarily exposed, but not worrying about it because he knows the shot is going to land in some way and prevent his opponent from capitalizing on his opening.

Machida is known to feint with his shots a lot, confusing a lot of opponents. Jones, IMO, isn't going to be too bothered by it. In fact, I've never seen Bones worry too much at all about what his opponent is doing striking-wise.
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Oh, a Jones vs Machida thread? How refreshing.
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I think one advantage Jones will have over every other opponent Machida has ever faced is that he is supremely confident in his striking. He throws crazy shot, leaving himself temporarily exposed, but not worrying about it because he knows the shot is going to land in some way and prevent his opponent from capitalizing on his opening.

Machida is known to feint with his shots a lot, confusing a lot of opponents. Jones, IMO, isn't going to be too bothered by it. In fact, I've never seen Bones worry too much at all about what his opponent is doing striking-wise.
The reason for this is that all Jones has faced so far are guys with a douple leg Takedown and an overhand right.

If you truly believe that he will pull that super sloppy and exposing striking against an elite Karate Fighter who lives from his striking like Lyoto and will get away with it then I have to correct you.
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Machida would be the toughest opponent for Bones so far, including Shogun. The biggest issue with this fight for Jones would be that he would have a much harder time taking him down than he has with any of his other opponents. This isn't to say that he's not capable, but rather it would be very hard.
At the end of the day though, i think Bones would still win and probably (T)KO Machida at some point in the fight either from a wild strike standing or raining elbows on the ground.
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