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Old 05-15-2011, 01:01 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I just watched the fight and I gotta say there is really nothing which shows me that he could beat a top 10 MW.

He is basically standing still in there his striking is completely telegraphed as well.
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There is definitely demand for a guy like Lombard in the UFC. Is he ready for top talent? That is debatable, but he may be able to rise to the occasion.

In order to go from good to 'elite', you need to surround yourself and fight the absolute best. I remember seeing Lombard losing a few fights in PRIDE back in the day, but since then has amassed a huge streak (albeit padded in my opinion).

Get him in with a nice boxing camp to get some crisp combos/footwork and I tell you what... we'll see one scary dude.

There's always scary, raw talent out there.... it just needs to be exploited and nurtured.

Enough with this sub par talent in Bellator, get over to UFC/Strikeforce now Lombard!
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Old 05-15-2011, 01:11 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I definitely want Lombard in the UFC, he would be a top 10 MW at least IMO. He is a world class judoka, and he is absolutely JACKED and a great athlete with a gas tank. He has KO power and he just KOed Vitale who has beaten Yushin Okami, the guy now fighting for the UFC MW title.

Thus, according to MMAth, Lomabrd should be fighting for the UFC title!
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Old 05-15-2011, 02:29 PM   #14 (permalink)
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He is on my short list of guys that I would like to see go to the UFC. I think he has the raw power and athleticism to become a title contender, but I doubt he'd ever take the title. It really is a shame that he is fighting in his prime against inferior opponents. I don't really care where you fight if you have a 23 fight unbeaten streak you should be fighting with the big boys.
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LOL The UFC is where the big boys are...in the Middleweight division

I'm sorry this is the same division that took years for Chael Sonnen and Yushin Okami to get thier title shots. The same division that has it's champion move up to Light Heavyweight when ever he feels like it. The same division that wants both a former HW champion in Belfort and a WW champion in Pierre to fight for the title over any other competition. A division that let Dan Henderson go, dropped Jake Shields to WW, and gives Michael Bisping and Nate Marquardt main event slots while keeping other title contenders like Paul Harris, Okami, Maia, Miller (Jason and Dan!), and Stann on the unaired prelims.

Yeah Hector Lombard was stupid to main event and knock people out in the indies when he could go to the UFC and be highlighted on "facebook".
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LOL The UFC is where the big boys are...in the Middleweight division

I'm sorry this is the same division that took years for Chael Sonnen and Yushin Okami to get thier title shots. The same division that has it's champion move up to Light Heavyweight when ever he feels like it. The same division that wants both a former HW champion in Belfort and a WW champion in Pierre to fight for the title over any other competition. A division that let Dan Henderson go, dropped Jake Shields to WW, and gives Michael Bisping and Nate Marquardt main event slots while keeping other title contenders like Paul Harris, Okami, Maia, Miller (Jason and Dan!), and Stann on the unaired prelims.

Yeah Hector Lombard was stupid to main event and knock people out in the indies when he could go to the UFC and be highlighted on "facebook".
....yes? The UFC is generally where the best fighters fight.

Lombard has been like an 8:1 favorite in all his Bellator fights. Say what you want about the UFC MW division, but Lombard needs to stop messing around in a second tier organization if he wants to be considered a top fighter.
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Old 05-15-2011, 05:43 PM   #17 (permalink)
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....yes? The UFC is generally where the best fighters fight.

Lombard has been like an 8:1 favorite in all his Bellator fights. Say what you want about the UFC MW division, but Lombard needs to stop messing around in a second tier organization if he wants to be considered a top fighter.
gladly.

Generally, sure the UFC is where the best fighters fight, BW, LW, WW and LHW divisions are well rounded out for the UFC. The HW and FW are respectable, some might argue that they aren't as great as they could be, but I wouldn't.

But the MW division, the Middleweight division is in the dumpster. Guys who fight for the title are CUT two fights later, guys who fight for some other divisions are headlining cards two fights later. While Leites and Cote are cut after fighting for the title, guys like Maia who win after fighting for the title, move down the card.

One of the big reasons I don't give Anderson Silva that much credit for what he's done is because the MW division is such a joke. The three biggest names, the guys who are main eventing as MW's are Silva, Wanderlei, and Bisping aren't really middleweights but rather light heavyweights. The MW division is basically the B level 205 title.

I look at Strikeforce and I see more true MW's in their Welter weights, Middleweights, and Light Heavyweight divisions than I see with regularity in the UFC. If Lombard just sits and waits the 185ers will come to him because signing with the UFC just means being swallowed up by the 205 machine.

It should make you angry that for a LW or LHW they have to fight over half a dozen times on main cards to work their way up but Brian F'n Stann will beat Santiago and may very well be the next in line for a title shot. He'll have 2 to 3 main card fights, take a shot at Anderson....and likely be cut 2 fights later. The same time it takes Jon Fitch to work his way to another title shot is the UFC life cycle of a MW title contender.
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gladly.

Generally, sure the UFC is where the best fighters fight, BW, LW, WW and LHW divisions are well rounded out for the UFC. The HW and FW are respectable, some might argue that they aren't as great as they could be, but I wouldn't.

But the MW division, the Middleweight division is in the dumpster. Guys who fight for the title are CUT two fights later, guys who fight for some other divisions are headlining cards two fights later. While Leites and Cote are cut after fighting for the title, guys like Maia who win after fighting for the title, move down the card.

One of the big reasons I don't give Anderson Silva that much credit for what he's done is because the MW division is such a joke. The three biggest names, the guys who are main eventing as MW's are Silva, Wanderlei, and Bisping aren't really middleweights but rather light heavyweights. The MW division is basically the B level 205 title.

I look at Strikeforce and I see more true MW's in their Welter weights, Middleweights, and Light Heavyweight divisions than I see with regularity in the UFC. If Lombard just sits and waits the 185ers will come to him because signing with the UFC just means being swallowed up by the 205 machine.

It should make you angry that for a LW or LHW they have to fight over half a dozen times on main cards to work their way up but Brian F'n Stann will beat Santiago and may very well be the next in line for a title shot. He'll have 2 to 3 main card fights, take a shot at Anderson....and likely be cut 2 fights later. The same time it takes Jon Fitch to work his way to another title shot is the UFC life cycle of a MW title contender.
The UFC's MW division may be lacking a bit in terms of depth, but it's still respectable and definitely the best MW roster out of all other MMA promotions. Hector Lombard should come to the UFC and fight against guys like Bisping, Sonnen, Silva, Stann, and Okami to see where he really stands.
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And of the five MW's you listed 4 had long careers at 205, and the fifth Okami likely should have been.

I don't even think the UFC would let him fight at 185, Dana will take one look at him, call him tiny and tell him to lose weight and fight at 170.
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And of the five MW's you listed 4 had long careers at 205, and the fifth Okami likely should have been.

I don't even think the UFC would let him fight at 185, Dana will take one look at him, call him tiny and tell him to lose weight and fight at 170.
Why didn't he say that to Toquinho?
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