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Frank Mir 22 59.46%
Roy Nelson 15 40.54%
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Old 05-29-2011, 09:24 AM   #91 (permalink)
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is it just be or did frank look like a beast with more muscle definition in previous fights?
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Old 05-29-2011, 09:50 AM   #92 (permalink)
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is it just be or did frank look like a beast with more muscle definition in previous fights?
He definitely looked better than in his last fights. Not bloated or anything. Seems like he's getting used to his frame.
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When people say Frank looked great, I hope they mean "Muscle and Fitness" wise, b/c that extra armor is bogging him down incredibly. Nelson had 1 or two good shots on him, and he looked like he had been through the ringer.

Velasquez would run right through either of these guys. The cardio alone would be the difference maker.
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Old 05-29-2011, 10:25 AM   #94 (permalink)
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Yeah when I say he looked better then I mean 'healthier' or 'not as bloated'. Maybe his conditioning will improve over time when he gets used to his bigger frame. He's looked his best when he was still 240ish.
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When people say Frank looked great, I hope they mean "Muscle and Fitness" wise, b/c that extra armor is bogging him down incredibly. Nelson had 1 or two good shots on him, and he looked like he had been through the ringer.

Velasquez would run right through either of these guys. The cardio alone would be the difference maker.
Well I agree and the sad part is if Roy would have been in better condition he did get what he wanted he gasses Mir out, unfortunately he gassed first and completely.

but I attribute that to Mirs improved wrestling and stand up, win or lose Mir has once again made improvements in his technique and skills.

I underestimated Mirs drive to get back in a championship bout, wont do that again. He absolutely has to fix his cardio issue, other than that he looks primed to me.

Roy got hit with some huge shots, if I'm him that's something to address however I dont blame his gut for his cardio its more of a combo of Mir being so big and imposing his will wrestling, along with the big shots and knees I honestly would not be upset with any other fighter for being gasses after two rounds of pounding and defensive grappling so I guess I dont see how ppl put it all on Roy like mir didn't MAKE him gas IDK.

I do think it would help to lose the gut, of coarse it will but its not going to make Roy a "whole new fighter" Remeber the fit he threw with Rashad? In a nutshell that why Roy will never make it to the next gear although he's still one of my favorite fighters.

P.S. Dana is being a dick about the fight and IMO thats BS Rampage and Hamil had lull's in the action and at points was downright boring, IDK.
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frank is my fav heavy, so i'm biased. but I did figure roy would have nothing for him standing, but the clinch work surprised me. I actually think that roy was good on the ground the way he kept standing back up. just that he was too gassed to stop the take down in the 3rd.

I'm seeing frank as one of the most well rounded HWs skill wise. but I think his cardio will have to improve to hang with a JDS further more a cardio freak like the champ.

if he can get his cardio up and work on his TDs and TDD i'm sure he could be champ again
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I'm taking Mir in this one all day long. Possibly a finish but most likely a decisive UD.

He is a better stiker than Roy with a longer reach, better footwork and he is quicker, stronger and more athletic. His takedown defence should be sufficient to stop Roys shot - and he should be able to light him up on the feet.

Nelson is overrated.

I was right for once! Mir absolutely dominated in all aspects of this fight, i was especially impressed with his offensive wrestling. And that was one beautiful throw in the 1st round.

I wouldnt be surpised to see Mir get a number one contender shot now. And he is looking HUGE, the strength advantage in this fight was very noticable - I like Mir better at higher weights. The only problem is that he also gassed, quite hard, it just wasnt as noticable because Nelson nearly had a heart attack then and there in the Octagon.

Hopefully this will end some of the Nelson love - the guy is the definition of a middle of the road heavyweight. That big belly might seem fun, but if he doesnt care enough about his career to make necessary adjustments, then i am not concerned about seeing him do well. Gassing to that extent proves that Nelson is not anywhere near elite level fitness, which is what you need when fighting in the UFC. Mir has adapted himself numerous times in his career so as to stay relevant to the division - Nelson seems unwilling to do so and such will continue to lose to the higher end Heavyweights.
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Just watched this and I honestly have no idea how Big Country survived that. My GOD Mir hit him so hard so many times... I just don't even know. Jesus, Nelson is a real life Homer Simpson... that's the only way I can explain that. First taking all that power from JDS and then getting crushed by Mir... idk.
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Well the broken jaw and rib explains Mirs cardio, seems like they both gutted it out.
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