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View Poll Results: Who will win?

Frank Mir 22 59.46%
Roy Nelson 15 40.54%
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Old 05-26-2011, 02:13 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Mir has a better ground game and if you stop and think about it Nelson's ground game is fairly defensive off his back wile Mir is pure offence from top or bottom.

I think Roy needs to win this fight standing and I think he'll prob need a KO to win although I dont think Mir's stand up is as good as JDS's I think it will be competitive I just dont think he can handle the power shots if Roy lands flush and I know he thinks he hits harder than JDS but I call BS and I dont see him finishing Roy without it being "The perfect storm" so I think Frank will have to try and take Roy down and sub him and his wrestling/takedowns aren't all that hot.


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Old 05-26-2011, 03:50 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I think Nelson is gonna take this one. People forget that he blew out his knee during the JDS fight.
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I think Nelson is gonna take this one. People forget that he blew out his knee during the JDS fight.
He blew his knee out flailing around the octagon perpetually rocked from the vicious ass beating he was taking.

Mir can do whatever he wants to Nelson and will finish him within 2 rounds if he doesn't decide to just hug him against the cage for the entire fight. The only reason JDS didn't finish Nelson is he gassed badly like halfway through the second and Nelson was doing his best impression of a tortoise on its hind legs for the entire fight past the first few minutes. A standing TKO could have been justified at almost any point in that fight.
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Mir.. submission.
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He blew his knee out flailing around the octagon perpetually rocked from the vicious ass beating he was taking.

Mir can do whatever he wants to Nelson and will finish him within 2 rounds if he doesn't decide to just hug him against the cage for the entire fight. The only reason JDS didn't finish Nelson is he gassed badly like halfway through the second and Nelson was doing his best impression of a tortoise on its hind legs for the entire fight past the first few minutes. A standing TKO could have been justified at almost any point in that fight.
ROFL he gasses badly because he couldn't knock Roy out after he gave it all he had and gasses trying, Mir is not going to KO Nelson.

A standing TKO? And why over exaggerate you point so heavily nobody takes it seriously? I mean I get that your remark is purposefully inflammatory but cant you do a better job of making sense? Roy was losing but he was still throwing and landing solid shots and covering up, he even hurt JDS a few times. A standing stoppage would have been redonkulous!

Mirs standup keeps improving but he's not going to be able to outstrike Roy like JDS did, this fight is going to be much closer and more gritty. Next thing you'll try and say is Mir will out wrestle Nelson.....
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Nelson by UD for me in a close fight. Think it will be a stand up battle which Nelson will edge.
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Mir has a better ground game and if you stop and think about it Nelson's ground game is fairly defensive off his back wile Mir is pure offence from top or bottom.
Like I said earlier, that is pure speculation since in the past when they grappled, Nelson was the winner. Not saying Mir is or isn't better now, just saying that Nelson has proven to be better in the past.

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I think Roy needs to win this fight standing and I think he'll prob need a KO to win
I disagree, Nelson can win this fight anywhere as could Mir.

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although I dont think Mir's stand up is as good as JDS's I think it will be competitive I just dont think he can handle the power shots if Roy lands flush and I know he thinks he hits harder than JDS but I call BS and I dont see him finishing Roy without it being "The perfect storm" so I think Frank will have to try and take Roy down and sub him and his wrestling/takedowns aren't all that hot.
I agree here. I don't really think that Mir hits as hard as JDS either, but that is speculation. What's not speculation is that JDS' striking is levels beyond Mir's striking.
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Old 05-26-2011, 01:57 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Like I said earlier, that is pure speculation since in the past when they grappled, Nelson was the winner. Not saying Mir is or isn't better now, just saying that Nelson has proven to be better in the past.



I disagree, Nelson can win this fight anywhere as could Mir.



I agree here. I don't really think that Mir hits as hard as JDS either, but that is speculation. What's not speculation is that JDS' striking is levels beyond Mir's striking.
Put as much weight as you want on that just remember Roy has never been a offensive force from bottom. Nor will he be a threat from bottom to Mir who is a threat off his back to Nelson or anyone for that matter.

It may be my opinion but Ive watched all of Nelsons fights and IN A MMA CAGE IMO Mir has a edge in submission skills though both fighters are high level BJJ practitioners. Roy has better wrestling and heavier hands Mir is more technical striking and with his BJJ If I thought Mir could somehow get Nelson down and gain top control id take him in this fight.
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I disagree, Nelson can win this fight anywhere as could Mir.
Well I could win the lotto but the odds say it probably wont happen, Roys biggest advantages are his power and Mir's chin. We all know Mir can be dropped and Nelson has twice the chin Mir dose that said its going to be real hard for Roy to sub Mir without dazing him or hurting him first.

Im not saying Roy CANT win on the ground or Mir CANT win on his feet its just not the most probable outcome IMO.
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Mir is miles ahead of Nelson in the striking game and physically.

Mir gets the decision if he doesn't TKO him.
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ROFL he gasses badly because he couldn't knock Roy out after he gave it all he had and gasses trying, Mir is not going to KO Nelson.

A standing TKO? And why over exaggerate you point so heavily nobody takes it seriously? I mean I get that your remark is purposefully inflammatory but cant you do a better job of making sense? Roy was losing but he was still throwing and landing solid shots and covering up, he even hurt JDS a few times. A standing stoppage would have been redonkulous!

Mirs standing keeps improving but he's not going to be able to outstrike Roy like JDS did, this fight is going to be much closer and more gritty. Next thing you'll try and say is Mir will out wrestle Nelson.....
He was rocked and turtling up eating shots for extended periods of time not fighting back throughout the fight. If they were on the ground and that was happening the fight gets stopped you just don't see standing TKOs in MMA that often for some reason. Roy doesn't have some magical chin sometimes guys just don't go fully out JDS hit him harder and more often than Arlovski did. I think Mir neutralizes Roy's wrestling with his size and strength advantage.
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