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View Poll Results: Who will win their fights?

Demetrious Johnson vs. 2 22.22%
Miguel Torres 7 77.78%
Tim Boetsch vs. 4 44.44%
Kendall Grove 5 55.56%
Bart Palaszewski vs. 1 11.11%
Gleison Tibau 8 88.89%
Chris Cariaso vs. 2 22.22%
Michael McDonald 7 77.78%
Renan Barao vs. 5 55.56%
Cole Escovedo 3 33.33%
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Old 05-28-2011, 09:01 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Totally fair decision. I had it 29-28 too. You guys have to remember how judges score fights.

Im really impressed with mighty mouses last two outings - becoming a favourite!
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The scoring criteria really needs to be re-evaluated. For a fighter to do half of the work and present less of a threat throughout the course of the fight still come out on top is kind of disturbing.

Johnson, while he had great defense and managed to get out of a lot of trouble, didn't do anything that could be considered threatening. He never came close to stopping the fight and never put Torres in any sort of danger. Torres on the other hand, worked from the bottom consistantly and threw up submission after submission on top of dealing damage with elbows and getting several sweeps.

I scored the fight 30-27 Torres. The first round could have been scored for Johnson.
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Why would I remember how some bad judges score fights, when scoring a fight properly?

The logic is astounding.
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Defend from Torres' guard.

What else?

Taking aa fighter down and defending from full guard is the single biggest scoring thing you can do in the cage. You can do a flying cartwheel kick off the cage, knock the guy's mouthpiece clear out of the cage, head bounce of the canvas, and just barely manages to hold on and not be KO'd. Won't matter if the guy gets up and takes you down and defends from your guard.
You must be a Leonard Garcia fan since you seem to think techniques that miss completely should be scored.
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Mighty Mouse definitely didn't win that fight. Not that I'm complaining. Johnson won me some money.
exact same reason i'm happy with the W.
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Why would I remember how some bad judges score fights, when scoring a fight properly?

The logic is astounding.
You do realise that a fight isnt just about the amount of damage done. I totally agree the criteria is stupid and needs to be changed, but you cant disagree with correct decisions while these conditions are in place.
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The most absurd and mind-boggling aspect of the way incompetent judges score grappling in MMA is the complete undermining of dominant positions. It's almost as if these guys literally have zero knowledge of submission grappling.

To them, a sweep into full mount for 2 minutes is less than defending triangles from full guard for 3 minutes.
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Its certainly unfortunate that judges cant/wont score offensive guards.

Personally I would have given it to Miguel 29-28, with the first and third rounds, and the second going to Johnson and mostly only for having a majority of top control for the round.

Johnson did very little with his top control and never actually did any damage while in top control and threatened very little with submissions while Torres constantly threatened Johnson off his back, with striking from his back as well.

Personally this is another fight where the flaws in MMA scoring were apparent yet again.

I will fault Torres for however for letting it stay on the ground for that long, knowing the probability of it going negatively for him on the scorecards. He should have used some of those escapes/failed subs to get back to the feet and try to score points there and try for some takedowns of his own.
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You do realise that a fight isnt just about the amount of damage done. I totally agree the criteria is stupid and needs to be changed, but you cant disagree with correct decisions while these conditions are in place.
Damage? Why the hell would I be scoring the fight on damage?

The criteria there was clearly effective grappling, and Johnson wouldn't have won a Submission grappling or BJJ contest on the planet on points/advantage. And he didn't land any ground strikes...so how the hell did he win?

What imaginary criteria is MMA using besides the great "being on top = winning" logic of judges who are dubiously licensed to judge.
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You do realise that a fight isnt just about the amount of damage done. I totally agree the criteria is stupid and needs to be changed, but you cant disagree with correct decisions while these conditions are in place.
Sadly I have to agree. I can't dispute the win, halfway through the first I thought to myself "well Miguel is winning, but he's losing officially." With criteria like that you have to give it to Mighty Mouse, despite him not being the more effective fighter. He was in danger for about 11 of the 15 minutes of the fight. Continuously defending from submissions, sweeps, and strikes from the bottom.
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