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post #21 of 39 (permalink) Old 05-25-2011, 07:28 PM
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People really think Pitbull is a top 5 FW after that abysmal showing at Bellator 45? I think people are confusing him for his brother who fought at 155 at Bellator 44 because I was definitely not impressed watching Bellator 45.
No. I'm pretty sure people know who Patricio Pitbull is.

His brother lost at Bellator 44 to a wrestler with 8 fights.
I don't think anyone is confusing the two.

Patricio came off the tournament win against a huge, experienced wrestler in Daniel Straus and basically completely negated all of his offense, outgrappled and outstruck him, and most impressive, dictated the pace of the fight. In all of Straus' prior fights, he had been the stalker, against Pitbull, he became the prey and fought entirely off his backfoot.

Patricio will smash up Warren and should be in the UFC soon.




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Here's what the list should look like:
1. Jose Aldo
2. Chad Mendes
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4. Diego Nunes
5. Hatsu Hioki
I'm not sure what's dumber, Hioki being number 5, or Hioki being behind guy he beat twice in two matches.

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after an amazing fight against aldo..Hominick should be on the list! definitely!
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No. I'm pretty sure people know who Patricio Pitbull is.

His brother lost at Bellator 44 to a wrestler with 8 fights.
I don't think anyone is confusing the two.

Patricio came off the tournament win against a huge, experienced wrestler in Daniel Straus and basically completely negated all of his offense, outgrappled and outstruck him, and most impressive, dictated the pace of the fight. In all of Straus' prior fights, he had been the stalker, against Pitbull, he became the prey and fought entirely off his backfoot.

Patricio will smash up Warren and should be in the UFC soon.
The difference is his brother and that wrestler with 8 fights looked like stars in making, he and Straus looked like B-level fighters. Neither guy in that featherweight final looked all that impressive. I don't care if he has 8 fights or 80 that Michael Chandler kid is going places he gots some skills.




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Robert Peralta is on that list is a complete joke. Takaya is a complete scrub, and was no better than on the lower end of the top 10 when Peralta "beat" him.

Hansen is a complete scrub who hasn't done shit at FW. And Im not sure what the hell beating Cheese Beebe means in 2011. Pretty much nothing. Bibiano was the best FW in DREAM, and he wasn't even that good. Takaya splitting fights with him isn't that special.

This is the same guy who scrubbed out of the WEC by losing to Cub Swanson and Leonard Garcia. Top 5 my ass.

Peralta is a nobody and a scrub.


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Mendes
Pitbull
Gamburyan
What has Manny done to be in the top 5 that is more of a joke than Takaya being put in the top 5. Furthermore how is Mendes 3 his one big win came against an Omigawa who was moving around like he got kneecapped with a baseball bat on the way to the cage. Hioki hasn't really beaten anyone impressive outside of Sandro either. Kanehara just got destroyed by Maeda who is really a BW and he beat Hominick 4 years ago when he had zero ground game not the guy who just gave Aldo his toughest fight.

I'm not saying Takaya is top 5 but he isn't a scrub and ranking this division is stupid because it hasn't been featured in bigger companies for that long, has an extremely fractured talent pool, and the top 15 if you do rank it is almost nothing but fighters who are just solid or completely unproven. How many 15-35 ranked LWs who could make the cut to 145 would smash most of the current top ten at FW? I'm pretty confident Aldo would look worse against Ross Pearson and Cole Miller than he did Hominick.
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3) Hioki
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That's more like it.
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Joe Warren votes the top 5 FW's as:

1) Joe Warren
2) Joe Warren
3) Joe Warren
4) Joe Warren
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What has Manny done to be in the top 5 that is more of a joke than Takaya being put in the top 5. Furthermore how is Mendes 3 his one big win came against an Omigawa who was moving around like he got kneecapped with a baseball bat on the way to the cage. Hioki hasn't really beaten anyone impressive outside of Sandro either. Kanehara just got destroyed by Maeda who is really a BW and he beat Hominick 4 years ago when he had zero ground game not the guy who just gave Aldo his toughest fight.

I'm not saying Takaya is top 5 but he isn't a scrub and ranking this division is stupid because it hasn't been featured in bigger companies for that long, has an extremely fractured talent pool, and the top 15 if you do rank it is almost nothing but fighters who are just solid or completely unproven. How many 15-35 ranked LWs who could make the cut to 145 would smash most of the current top ten at FW? I'm pretty confident Aldo would look worse against Ross Pearson and Cole Miller than he did Hominick.
Takaya, first of all fights at the joke weight of 139 in dream.

When the dude fights at 45 with the real FWs, he gets punked.

As for Manny, he knocked out a guy who was the champ a fight before, and he easily dominated Leonard Garcia, who that scrub Takaya lost to(as well as Cub Swanson).

I doubt Cole could make 145, so that's irrelevant, and Ross Pearson is horrible on the ground and probably would've gotten subbed.

That's complete conjecture on top of it, as the last top ranked guy to make that jump was Joachim who is pretty much shit at "FW".

All of your bullshit excuses and fabrications don't fly for shit when the fighter you are crowing is a scrub who just lot to ****ing Robert Peralta.

Omigawa wasn't injured. That's bullshit. If he was, it would've showed up on the medical report.

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The difference is his brother and that wrestler with 8 fights looked like stars in making, he and Straus looked like B-level fighters. Neither guy in that featherweight final looked all that impressive. I don't care if he has 8 fights or 80 that Michael Chandler kid is going places he gots some skills.
You've always poorly perceived talent, but this is really pushing the envelope.

Patricio is much better than Patricky. Patricky's wrestling is pretty poor.


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1) Aldo
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4) Koch
5) Hominick
I just don't see how Mendes would be ahead of Hioki. He is a really good wrestler, but he isn't great.




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