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Old 05-26-2011, 03:14 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I just don't see how Mendes would be ahead of Hioki. He is a really good wrestler, but he isn't great.
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Old 05-26-2011, 05:47 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Takaya, first of all fights at the joke weight of 139 in dream.

When the dude fights at 45 with the real FWs, he gets punked.

As for Manny, he knocked out a guy who was the champ a fight before, and he easily dominated Leonard Garcia, who that scrub Takaya lost to(as well as Cub Swanson).

I doubt Cole could make 145, so that's irrelevant, and Ross Pearson is horrible on the ground and probably would've gotten subbed.

That's complete conjecture on top of it, as the last top ranked guy to make that jump was Joachim who is pretty much shit at "FW".

All of your bullshit excuses and fabrications don't fly for shit when the fighter you are crowing is a scrub who just lot to ****ing Robert Peralta.

Omigawa wasn't injured. That's bullshit. If he was, it would've showed up on the medical report.



You've always poorly perceived talent, but this is really pushing the envelope.

Patricio is much better than Patricky. Patricky's wrestling is pretty poor.
I don't know if Cole could make 145 but everyone is talking about Aldo going up to 155 and challenging for the belt and I don't think Hominick is as challenging as some of the 20-35 guys at LW and that Edgar and Gray would both humiliate and finish Aldo. I think Aldo is a great fighter too but 155 is an entirely different animal than 145.

I never said Omigawa was injured I said he was moving in slow motion like a robot for some reason. I don't know why he was doing that.

Mike Brown isn't good he is lucky he caught Faber in the first fight which happens and Faber broke his right hand and left thumb in the second round of the second fight and still gave Brown all he could handle without the ability to punch or grip which is pathetic and he is about to lose his third fight in a row.

Takaya beat Bibi and Hioki who are both better than anyone Manny has ever beaten by far if he is a scrub your number 2 FW is also a scrub. Getting caught from time to time because you have an aggressive striking style doesn't make you a bad fighter.
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Bibi? And? Mike Brown and possibly Garcia could beat the dude. He's laughably limited.

Oh, and yeah, my bad Takaya is a monster for beating up on a TEENAGER(and winning a decision).

Dude's a ground ace, and was what, a white or blue belt back then? Ridiculous.
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Bibi? And? Mike Brown and possibly Garcia could beat the dude. He's laughably limited.

Oh, and yeah, my bad Takaya is a monster for beating up on a TEENAGER(and winning a decision).

Dude's a ground ace, and was what, a white or blue belt back then? Ridiculous.
I wouldn't call him an ace he has looks like a LNP artist at times and Hioki had more fights than Takaya at that point and more actual training. It isn't like Hioki isn't a completely flawed fighter too Takaya's grappling is probably better than Hioki's striking at this point and I would pick Takaya if they fought eachother again. Hioki is made out to be some grappling wizard but he loses to or goes to decision with every good fighter he faces. Takaya has been subbed once in his career by Genki Sudo 6 years ago he isn't some can on the ground Hioki will immediately sub.
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I wouldn't call him an ace he has looks like a LNP artist at times and Hioki had more fights than Takaya at that point and more actual training. It isn't like Hioki isn't a completely flawed fighter too Takaya's grappling is probably better than Hioki's striking at this point and I would pick Takaya if they fought eachother again. Hioki is made out to be some grappling wizard but he loses to or goes to decision with every good fighter he faces. Takaya has been subbed once in his career by Genki Sudo 6 years ago he isn't some can on the ground Hioki will immediately sub.


Loss 15𥑯 United States Robert Peralta Decision (split)

Loss 9𤖫 United States Cub Swanson Decision (unanimous)

Loss 12𤪗 Brazil Bibiano Fernandes Decision (split)

Speaking of losing decisions to any good fighter.

Only Takaya's losses have been in more embarrassing fashion, including being knocked out by Leonard Garcia and Michihiro Omigawa.

As far as going to decision.

Win 9𢴏 Canada Mark Hominick Technical submission (triangle choke)

Win 17𣛨 Japan Rumina Sato TKO (punches)

Win 19𣛨 England Ronnie Mann Submission (triangle choke)


And his win over Sandro was very dominant and Sandro was lucky he escaped some of those subs.

Not to mention, most of Hioki's losses have been very questionable. Especially against Omigawa, total garbage decision.
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Loss 15𥑯 United States Robert Peralta Decision (split)

Loss 9𤖫 United States Cub Swanson Decision (unanimous)

Loss 12𤪗 Brazil Bibiano Fernandes Decision (split)

Speaking of losing decisions to any good fighter.

Only Takaya's losses have been in more embarrassing fashion, including being knocked out by Leonard Garcia and Michihiro Omigawa.

As far as going to decision.

Win 9𢴏 Canada Mark Hominick Technical submission (triangle choke)

Win 17𣛨 Japan Rumina Sato TKO (punches)

Win 19𣛨 England Ronnie Mann Submission (triangle choke)


And his win over Sandro was very dominant and Sandro was lucky he escaped some of those subs.

Not to mention, most of Hioki's losses have been very questionable. Especially against Omigawa, total garbage decision.
I said good fighters not two cans and Hominick 5 years ago when he didn't even start looking competent grappling until last year.

Hioki fights almost nothing but cans Takaya has quality opponents almost ever time out he should be losing more. He is a an aggressive striker also you are more likely to get caught doing that than hugging guys to decisions. I like how you make excuses for all of Hioki's losses but your big proof about Takaya being a scrub is the Peralta fight that I haven't seen one person say was a good decision.

No one is claiming Takaya is some amazing fighter either. He is a good fighter just like Hioki is a good fighter not some magical grappling entity. Knocking out Hansen and Maeda are more impressive finishes than any submissions Hioki has pulled off. I guess we will see if he can sub good fighters though after he steps out of his local can factory and fights in the UFC.
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Ronnie Mann = can

Robert Peralta + Leonard Garcia + Cub Swanson + Miscelanneus scrubs = Monsters.

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Ronnie Mann = can

Robert Peralta + Leonard Garcia + Cub Swanson + Miscelanneus scrubs = Monsters.

Show me where I called them monsters Aldo is the only great fighter at FW. Garcia and Cub have wins over solid fighters Mann has fought cans and Hioki who finished him in the first. Come tell me how great that win is after he beats some legitimate fighters.

Hioki's second best win is a LNP decision over Kanehara who just got destroyed by Maeda(who Takaya beat down). Sato who is apparently a great win according to you was destroyed by Hansen(who is apparently a bum and not a good win for Takaya). Hansen has wins over Aoki, JZ, Miyata, Gomi, Uno, and Imanari and in his 29 previous fights going into the Takaya fight had never been KO/TKOed. Clearly not an impressive knockout especially when compared to Hioki subbing the great Rumina Sato.
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Hansen at 139? Yeah, he's a can. He was outstruck by freakin Bibiano ffs.
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