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Old 05-25-2011, 03:30 PM   #21 (permalink)
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the only problem with this is, diaz doesn't have a weakness, outside of wrestling, his bjj from his back is just as sick as his stand-up, if not more so, his cardio and chin are world class, and he's absolutly fearless and attacks where ever the fight goes..... gsp will really luck out if this fight doesn't go through, cus diaz has the tools to destroy gsp, no one in the division is gonna stop gsp's wrestling, so you need someone with excellent hands and excellent bjj to beat him, this is the worst match-up for gsp in the division with out question.....obviously taking it down, and putting all his wieght on diaz, and being completely defensive on the ground would be gsp's only way of winning. but its gonna be hard to survive 5 rounds in diaz's guard when you can't even submit dan hardy in 25 minutes, all of which took place on the ground.
Diaz won't be able to do anything in this fight.. because GSP is going to be in control every second of it!
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Old 05-25-2011, 03:40 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Not to change the tone of the thread but BobbyCooper I agree with Joshknows. Reason being is that GSP wanted none of the ground with Jake which leads me to believe he recognizes where he needs to be to beat someone. However, Diaz is not the one to stand with as was evident with Daley not making it out the fight. On the ground he is dangerous and on the ground is GSP's best shot. Granted he can hold him down for 5 minutes but the odds on that are low (not impossible though). I cant say who would win but I can say that if you had to build an imperfect proto type to beat GSP then Diaz is it. A person that has weak wrestling but can handle you on the ground and beat the hell out of you on the feet while always coming forward....thats Nick.
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Not to change the tone of the thread but BobbyCooper I agree with Joshknows. Reason being is that GSP wanted none of the ground with Jake which leads me to believe he recognizes where he needs to be to beat someone. However, Diaz is not the one to stand with as was evident with Daley not making it out the fight. On the ground he is dangerous and on the ground is GSP's best shot. Granted he can hold him down for 5 minutes but the odds on that are low (not impossible though). I cant say who would win but I can say that if you had to build an imperfect proto type to beat GSP then Diaz is it. A person that has weak wrestling but can handle you on the ground and beat the hell out of you on the feet while always coming forward....thats Nick.
I think GSP striking is better then Diaz. Plus Diaz doesnt have too much power to take GSP out with. And the biggest problem IMO. Diaz makes a TON of striking mistakes. Someone like GSP would capitalize pretty easily. GSP wins standing and on the ground.

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GSP fought on 1 eye... give him 2 and the striking would have looked like it did on Koschecks fight.
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Old 05-25-2011, 04:04 PM   #24 (permalink)
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who thought Diaz doing TUF was ever an option? He is a social recluse with a worse command of the english langauge than JDS! And thats before we get to the fact he would be constantly stoned off his ******* tits on the camera!
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That inverviewer was SEXY, you could tell she was obviously new on the job though. As for the fight, thank God it's not happening because A) I dont want those guys to be sidelined with TUF and B) GSP would crush Diaz easily i dont want to see that fight.
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I think GSP striking is better then Diaz. Plus Diaz doesnt have too much power to take GSP out with. And the biggest problem IMO. Diaz makes a TON of striking mistakes. Someone like GSP would capitalize pretty easily. GSP wins standing and on the ground.
IU don't disagree with the fact that Nick doesn't have one punch KO power but GSP doesn't have that either. Kos is tough but doesnt have a granite chin by any sense of the word (See Paulo Thiago). SO the fact that GSP jabbed Kos (a person who KO'd some people and then gets a rep of having a decent standup game )to death doesnt make him a great stricker just an effective one. I think he uses his striking to create distance and not go for the KO or even the finish. Diaz walks forward and unless GSP plans to brawl it out then he is not going to keep that distance to long.

I could be wrong but I don't see the huge advantage on the feet that you do....or on the ground to be honest.
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[quote=SideWays222;1417127]I think GSP striking is better then Diaz. Plus Diaz doesnt have too much power to take GSP out with. And the biggest problem IMO. Diaz makes a TON of striking mistakes. Someone like GSP would capitalize pretty easily. GSP wins standing and on the ground.
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I'm soooooooooo sick of hearing this.

GSP is a real good striker why? Who has he beat standing? A bunch of average to bad strikers? He takes down and wrestles anyone with any threat...Penn, Alves. He has a jab.

Diaz has TKO'd Daley (a legit striker) Struck with Noons. Struck with Santos.

Diaz has more punching power than GSP and is a better boxer. Hands down. GSP hasn't proven otherwise. GSP wrestles and jabs the fighters like Shileds and Kos.
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IU don't disagree with the fact that Nick doesn't have one punch KO power but GSP doesn't have that either. Kos is tough but doesnt have a granite chin by any sense of the word (See Paulo Thiago). SO the fact that GSP jabbed Kos (a person who KO'd some people and then gets a rep of having a decent standup game )to death doesnt make him a great stricker just an effective one. I think he uses his striking to create distance and not go for the KO or even the finish. Diaz walks forward and unless GSP plans to brawl it out then he is not going to keep that distance to long.

I could be wrong but I don't see the huge advantage on the feet that you do....or on the ground to be honest.
I agree with all of thise. The only thing I see, that unfortunatly means quite a bit, is GSP can just dictate where it is. He will take Diaz downa and be cautious as hell not to get caught. I see a boring fight, one GSP wins by using his wrestling and cardio/experience not to get caught.

GSP will wrestle his way to a 50-45 or 49-46 dec. win.

We all know GSP won't get the finish. GSP hasn't finished a fight in what? And Diaz hasn't been finished only once, and that was his 2nd fight of his career at like 18 or 19 years of age.
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IU don't disagree with the fact that Nick doesn't have one punch KO power but GSP doesn't have that either. Kos is tough but doesnt have a granite chin by any sense of the word (See Paulo Thiago). SO the fact that GSP jabbed Kos (a person who KO'd some people and then gets a rep of having a decent standup game )to death doesnt make him a great stricker just an effective one. I think he uses his striking to create distance and not go for the KO or even the finish. Diaz walks forward and unless GSP plans to brawl it out then he is not going to keep that distance to long.

I could be wrong but I don't see the huge advantage on the feet that you do....or on the ground to be honest.
Literally ANYONE would have been dropped by the punch Thiago landed. That BY NO MEANS is an indication that there is something up with Koschecks chin. That was a strong punch that found its mark, thats all. GSP broke koschecks bone with a Jab. Imagine what would happen if your going forward and eating those... Plus as soon as Diaz even thinks of swinging, GSP takes him down easily. GSP is safe enough on the ground to know how to avoid the bad positions. GSP wins this fight 19 out of 20.


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I think GSP striking is better then Diaz. Plus Diaz doesnt have too much power to take GSP out with. And the biggest problem IMO. Diaz makes a TON of striking mistakes. Someone like GSP would capitalize pretty easily. GSP wins standing and on the ground.
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I'm soooooooooo sick of hearing this.

GSP is a real good striker why? Who has he beat standing? A bunch of average to bad strikers? He takes down and wrestles anyone with any threat...Penn, Alves. He has a jab.

Diaz has TKO'd Daley (a legit striker) Struck with Noons. Struck with Santos.

Diaz has more punching power than GSP and is a better boxer. Hands down. GSP hasn't proven otherwise. GSP wrestles and jabs the fighters like Shileds and Kos.
GSP out-struck Alves. Just because he didn't keep it there doesn't mean that he didn't. If i recall it was GSP who dropped Alves and not the other way around. He dropped Fitch certain times. He outclassed Kos and dropped Shields even with a bad eye. GSP gets a rap for being a bad striker because he does not do it often... well thats just stupid. Since the Matt Serra fight i have not seen the guy out struck by anyone. Diaz striking and GSP striking is completely different. There are things Diaz does better and things GSP does better. The thing is... the stuff Diaz does with his boxing would be very ineffective against GSP and the stuff Diaz does bad, GSP would pinpoint very quickly. I just dont see a way in hell Diaz wins this fight. Id want to see it just so everyone can shut their faces. Each time a challenger appears to face GSP, people say the same thing. Im just happy that Challengers are running out so maybe one day they will accept GSP as being a guy who is decently boring BUT wins.

And yes.. Diaz beat Daley but by no means was Diaz outclassing Daley. He was just as close to getting finished as Daley was in that fight. Diaz is the one that managed to seal the deal BUT a performance like he put in against Daley will not cut it. Not only would it not cut it in the UFC but it by no means will cut it against GSP.

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In a straight stand up fight, Nick wins. GSP has a great jab, a superman punch that hits less then half the time and a spinning roundhouse kick that seems to do more to confuse the opponent then do damage. GSP hasnt thrown a damage relevent kick in awhile. Nick puts together combos, flows with his strikes, switches levels and has actual TKO wins in recent times. That said, GSP would simply outwrestle Nick. I think GSP avoided Shields ground like the plague because Shields is a submission wrestler, same with Kos. GSP doesn't seem to fear or have trouble with strict BJJ'ists on the ground and both the Diaz brothers kryptonite are strong wrestlers.

GSP wins this theoretical fight via ground out decision/wrestling smuthering, but if he kept it standing, the fight favors Diaz, imho.
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