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Old 05-28-2011, 03:39 PM   #91 (permalink)
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He's a top 10 fighter today because he's a big, strong wrestler. But the sport is evolving quickly and he's starting to get exposed by guys who can strike and sprawl. Ten years from now, I don't think you'll see a guy like Lesnar in the top 10 - you're going to have a complete game to get there and he doesn't have it.
If you had written that 10 years ago about Mark Coleman I would have agreed 100%. I don't think it's accurate here.

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I don't think Cain purely outwrestled Brock. It was Cain's punching that made it look like he outwrestled him - he got Brock flinching and turning away and turtling up. I think straight up wrestling w/o punches Brock would beat Cain, but punches change the game.
I saw it the other way around. It was Cain's amazing wrestling gave him the opportunity to throw punches.

Don't forget that Brock took him down twice. for anyone else that would have been the fight or at least the round.

I've watched Cain bounce up from the 2nd take down 1000 times. I still don't understand how he did it.
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Old 05-28-2011, 04:07 PM   #92 (permalink)
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Eh. Brock was Dana's little tool to sell fights and get a new crowd interested in MMA. Dana practically gift wrapped the title for Brock.

He's a good one dimensional fighter. He knows how to use his size. Thats all.
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Old 05-28-2011, 05:53 PM   #93 (permalink)
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Eh. Brock was Dana's little tool to sell fights and get a new crowd interested in MMA. Dana practically gift wrapped the title for Brock.

He's a good one dimensional fighter. He knows how to use his size. Thats all.
I hate people that say this. He beat the top contenders, he deserved that title. at that point and time, who was better then him in the ufc? personally i dont think cain was.. he really progressed each fight into what he is now. Dont even bring up the carwin fight. "carwin gassed" "carwin stuffed both of his shots" Thats the first round. FIRST round. Lesnar has GREAT cardio, just like cain. People forget that he was a NCAA Wrestling CHAMPION. I know for fact, as does any other person that has wrestled, wrestling is a very tiring sport, and to be a champion you cant just have O.K. cardio. It has to be the best, u have to be able to go longer then the other guy when the skill level is so evenly matched. So heres my point. Carwin gassed in the 2nd round. thats his fault. Now do you really think carwins physical endurance has increased that much since then? No. Cardio takes months and years to obtain and there is not limit to it. This fight would go just about the same way at this point and time imo. Lesnar would still be able to take carwin down in the 2nd round, no, not as easily, but he would get it. Brock will be back and everyone will see he is the real deal. He will be #1-3 HW in the ufc for a few more years, theres not doubt. If you honestly think anyone in SF can beat him... you need to wake up. There is not a strikeforce HW with wrestling of brocks caliber. I firmly believe he would take any of them down, and beat them there. Reem has the best chance with his size, knees, and bjj to beat brock but even then i think this would be a hard fight for the Reem. Sorry for the rant, im not hating on anyone, i dont favor brock or any of that. I am just stating my opinion and whats logical to me.
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He beat the top contenders, he deserved that title.
That's all there is to it, I'm not exactly Brock's biggest fan, but he did what he had to do to get a shot at the title, then he took it. There really isn't much else to it, he won the title, he was the best at the time. We can sit here and debate in hindsight about how "all he can do is strike" but he won it, he earned the title and therefore deserved it.

In saying that I was jumping about my livingroom when Velasquez beat him.
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"all he can do is strike"
wrestle* =). I dont think he has good boxing, but i do think he has alot of power in his hands. DEFINATELY has alot of power in his hands. how many times have u seen a HW do a backflip from getting hit with a straight right?
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