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post #21 of 51 (permalink) Old 05-26-2011, 03:02 PM
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In my opinion we've learned alot from the Shields fight. GSP when reduced to fighting only one way is alot less effective.

In Shields case it was his standup. He boxed him. And got beat up.

The reason why GSP looked so bad against Shields was he had no choice but to stand with him. He didn't get to use all the tools that makes him superior to other fighters. GSP got exposed for what he really is. A dynamic all around fighter who excels at all different types of martial arts. Though does not exceed expectations in one form of fighting.

My stats on GSP are as followed for his fighting abilities. On a 1 - 10 scale.
Standup - 7
Wrestling - 9
Jiu Jitsu - 7
Explosiveness - 10
When all forms mixed together - 11

The great thing about him is he has no one art form like he says. Which is great and all. But when faced with competition who negates one of his abilities he must rely on a weaker form like his stand up or jiu jitsu.

Shields fight is a great example b/c wrestling almost always ends up on the ground and there's so much you can do while on the ground to win the fight. All the tools Shields possess. Which scared GSP into fighting a one dimensional way which I believe can benefit future fighters who go up against GSP.

Who ever fights him next must make him believe that he can only fight one way. Preferably a standup war. A great jiu jitsu artist or wrestler will beat GSP b/c of this. If Shields knew this coming into the fight I honestly think he would have trained more in the boxing department and instead of defensive take down defense he would have focused on the offensive.

Good post, though I would score his BJJ lower than his striking, maybe 6. He does have good sub defense, and that armbar he pulled on Matt Hughes was pretty sweet. But his striking is more well rounded I think. His striking I would also make a bit higher maybe 8.

The way to beat GSP is to have him fight Anderson Silva ;-)

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You guys do realize bjj is more than just subs right? who passes better than GSP? Who else tooled penn on the ground? plus he sweeps pretty much anyone who manages to scramble on top of him. Its like saying shoguns bjj sucks cuz hes only got 1 sub....no, you just dont know what you're talking about
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First of all I didn't say Shields 'forced' GSP into any thing. I said he scared him into fighting one way. Which is a weakness all in its own.

Second I don't find this to be MMA math at all. Coaches and fighters discuss this all the time its called strategy. MMA math would be Forrest>Shogun>Machida.

Thirdly I don't believe GSP tooled Shields. He looked terrible through out the fight. The punch to the eye or slap occured in round 2. He didn't look to shabby in round 1 to begin with. So. Really. It may or may not have been a factor to his game plan. Which was to stand with Shields and possibly get a knock out.

The bottom line is if GSP fights the way he did against Shield in a rematch. Shield takes it. I guarantee it.
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The only thing Shields did that gave GSP any trouble was poke him in the eye.

So if the Shields fight revealed anything it is that open fingered hooks to the eye are a great way to help take away GSP's superior skills and not get penalized.
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The only thing Shields did that gave GSP any trouble was poke him in the eye.

So if the Shields fight revealed anything it is that open fingered hooks to the eye are a great way to help take away GSP's superior skills and not get penalized.
Round 1 wasn't all that dominating from GSP. Considering a guy who trains under Freddy Roach fighting a guy who has an mma boxing coach.
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So the way to beat GSP is... Poke him in the eye that is his weakness!!!! Must be like Ken shaving Shamrocks burns or Don Frye's mustache!!!!

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Round 1 wasn't all that dominating from GSP. Considering a guy who trains under Freddy Roach fighting a guy who has an mma boxing coach.
People underestimate just how much the fundamentals can do. Shields is not an explosive striker, but he is fundamentally sound and sticks to the basics. Its not that he does them bad he just has no flash. The basics in any stand up sport can take you aways if your stick to them and use them well.

When I took boxing for the first 6 months of sparring you used 3 punches. Left jab, right hook, right uppercut. Only after you had mastered those 3 would you slowly start incorporating other punches that you had only practiced on the pads or bag.




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Round 1 wasn't all that dominating from GSP. Considering a guy who trains under Freddy Roach fighting a guy who has an mma boxing coach.
Round one was a feeling out. GSP stuffed Shields takedown attempts and established Shields could do nothing but stand and take a jab. At the end of round one you could tell Shields knew he couldn't execute anything.

Remember its the challenger that has to bring it to the Champion. GSP already has the belt. Shields by his performance sure as hell looked like he didn't want it much.

Another fight were GSP makes a top level guy on a massive winning streak look completely useless.
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You guys do realize bjj is more than just subs right? who passes better than GSP? Who else tooled penn on the ground? plus he sweeps pretty much anyone who manages to scramble on top of him. Its like saying shoguns bjj sucks cuz hes only got 1 sub....no, you just dont know what you're talking about
He has great sub defense; his positioning is great, but if he isn't using it to sub then it falls under defense. He uses his positioning to keep his opponent down and to G N P, not to submit most of the times. The most you can mark up for defense in a 1-10 rating is 5. Tooling BJ on the ground is irrelevant because he greased (knowingly or not knowingly), and because of that the rule needed tp be modified. Real easy to tool a BJJ expert when you have steller BJJ sub defense, great wrestling, good positioning and grease all over your torso and back.

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The bottom line is if GSP fights the way he did against Shield in a rematch. Shield takes it. I guarantee it.
Problem is he won't fight the same way. Every time GSP has rematched someone, it's a whole new game where he crushes the poor sucker.

If you're going to beat GSP you need to be good enough standing to either put him in trouble or make him take you down. Then you need a Rousimar Palhares type ground game where you can slap on a brutal sub with practically zero setup time. A Jake Shields or Demian Maia sub game isn't good enough, they're high level guys but they don't work fast enough to put GSP away. By the time they get something setup, GSP has exploded out of there and they'll have to work for position all over again while getting ground & pounded.
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Problem is he won't fight the same way. Every time GSP has rematched someone, it's a whole new game where he crushes the poor sucker.
Amen to this, Hughs 2 and 3, Serra 2 and Koshcheck 2 are perfect examples of how GSP finds new ways to dominate the same fighter.
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