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post #31 of 51 (permalink) Old 05-26-2011, 04:48 PM
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First of all I didn't say Shields 'forced' GSP into any thing. I said he scared him into fighting one way. Which is a weakness all in its own.

The bottom line is if GSP fights the way he did against Shield in a rematch. Shield takes it. I guarantee it.
GSP was fighting one way because he chose to fight in Shields' weakest area, like he does against all his opponents. He isn't scared, he fights smart. Going to the ground with a guy like Shields when you know you can force him to stand would be retarded.

And in a rematch GSP would crush Shields far worse than the first time. GSP fought half the fight with one eye and gave us the worst showing we've seen from him in years and still won EASILY and you think Shields is taking a rematch? No chance. It would go exactly the same way except Shields wouldn't win any rounds this time.
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I have thought about this alot since the Shields fight, from a strikers point of view th proble3m they have is when they aim a strike at GSP, GSP dives under the strike and shoots the take down.

The big over hand right GSP kept swinging at Shields, that was not aimed at where Jake was, that was TD defense, that strike was not aimed at where Shields was it was aimed at where Shields would end up if he had shot in for a Take Down, Shields kept backing up at pulling out of shooting to avoid diving into that overhand right.

This made me think maybe GSP knows how to prevent his own TD's, maybe the trick for a superior striker is not to aim your strikes at him but to aim at where he needs to be in order to take you down, since when past experience has shown that GSP is a master at shooting under strikes and winning take downs, so if you feel you have a superior striking game and want to keep it standing then that could be worth thinking about, I think strikers could learn a lot from watching what GSP did himself against Shied to avoid been taken down.

As for a superior grappler, well I am not convinced there are any but if you are a fighter like Shields and feel you want to try your luck on the ground then a good strategy could of been to fake the TD and wait for that big overhand right then instead of backing off like Shields did just stand your ground with your hands up then after shoot in and try for that TD, not guaranteed to work because personally I think GSP had had that covered with his sprawl after anyway, but it was worth at go and if after a few attempts it turned out
he could stuff you with a sprawl anyway then you have to throw down the chips keep your hands up to take the impact and just dive straight through that strike and hope for the best, which is what I was hoping ot see form Shields on the day.


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I would say striking 9
Wrestling 12
BJJ 8
Explosivenss 10

The problem is that he is the best wrestler in the sport and can keep the fight standing or take it down and there isn't a damn thing anyone can do about it. Shields didn't force GSP to do anything it was all GSP forcing Shields to stand and trade.

A great wrestler will beat him? Funny the 4 best Fitch, Kos, Hughes and Shields already failed.
Actually Hughes did beat him , but i can see your point.


I honestly believe someone who is competent enough to keep the fight standing for some period of time with some power and technique in his hands could beat GSP either that or just a far superior wrestler , the catch is no one like that exists at WW.

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You need an exceptional defensive Wrestler like Koscheck or Machida and a stand up machine like Penn and somebody with the Cardio of Dominick Cruz.

Then you can KO him if you have the hands of Penn and or win a decision.

You also have to be able to get right back up if GSP somehow gets through your exceptional TDD.
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You need an exceptional defensive Wrestler like Koscheck or Machida and a stand up machine like Penn and somebody with the Cardio of Dominick Cruz.

Then you can KO him if you have the hands of Penn and or win a decision.

You also have to be able to get right back up if GSP somehow gets through your exceptional TDD.
Man I read this and I instantly thought Cain lol
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i know how to beat gsp, great boxing,great cardio great bjj and a solid chin. i just described nick diaz homey


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i know how to beat gsp, great boxing,great cardio great bjj and a solid chin. i just described nick diaz homey
you forgot about great TDD
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nice theory but:

1) The only thing the Shields fight showed is that you need to deliberately poke him in the eye to stand a chance. And even then you'll probably still get tooled. I don't see how GSP got "beat up" except for one cheap ass open hand poke that left him half blind. Might as well tell me the way to beat GSP is to bring in a steel chair and pelt him over the head, it's just as legit.
I don't know, I think a bat or a can of the mace foam would be a better option.

To beat GSP you would need this combo.

1: Fitch/Hughes level Wrestling.
2: Maia/BJ level BJJ.
3: Alves level Striking

Combine those, and I might be able to see someone winning a decision.
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you forgot about great TDD
dont need it if you already have great bjj, but if you dont then yes great tdd is necessary


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i know how to beat gsp, great boxing,great cardio great bjj and a solid chin. i just described nick diaz homey
This will go into the same pile of words used for all of GSP's top level opponents. How many times have people said that a fighter has the perfect recipe to beat GSP then nothing happens.

Go back to all the threads stating Jake Shields had the perfect tools to beat GSP. How did that work out? The only tool that worked was the open handed hook.
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