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Old 05-29-2011, 04:49 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Torres done? Not at all. He has all the skills and talent he needs to be champion again. This loss was bullshit
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Old 05-29-2011, 04:52 PM   #32 (permalink)
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The scoring in MMA is complicated and it should be. For example, TD's score a LOT more than stuffing one. Mouse scored some takedowns, didn't do that much on the ground while Torres was on his back and pushing the pace, constantly sweeping him and having sub attempts.

MMA is too diverse to be judged properly IMO.
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So we agree that the entire scoring system is complete rubbish?

Thats all!
I really dislike the scoring criteria but submission attempts that don't come close to working shouldn't score period. In fact if you attempt a submission or takedown and your opponent completely shuts you down they should score a little for that since they won the grappling exchange.

I don't believe in scoring time spent in a dominant position, activity/aggressiveness, or "cage control". You should only get points for successful techniques and damage and that knockdowns and really deep fully locked up submissions that are escaped should be worth about the same.
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Old 05-29-2011, 05:08 PM   #34 (permalink)
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I really dislike the scoring criteria but submission attempts that don't come close to working shouldn't score period. In fact if you attempt a submission or takedown and your opponent completely shuts you down they should score a little for that since they won the grappling exchange.

I don't believe in scoring time spent in a dominant position, activity/aggressiveness, or "cage control". You should only get points for successful techniques and damage and that knockdowns and really deep fully locked up submissions that are escaped should be worth about the same.
I'm not gonna explain you how fights should be scored now osmium..

please read the Dream rules and we are getting somewhere!

All I can say is, if you take your scoring system.. we could just keep this one we have right now!
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I'm not gonna explain you how fights should be scored now osmium..

please read the Dream rules and we are getting somewhere!

All I can say is, if you take your scoring system.. we could just keep this one we have right now!
Dream heavily favors damage just like mine but getting carded and losing points for inactivity is stupid you just shouldn't gain points for it. My system removes as much subjectivity as possible and doesn't allow judges to avoid justifying their decision with vague criteria. Making the scoring criteria as concrete as possible is the only way to hold judges responsible and allows for a system where they can be properly graded and extended or fired based on that.

You realize Machida wins his fight with Rampage under my system right? With aggression and cage control removed Rampage doesn't rack up points for cutting Machida off or holding him against the cage.
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I really dislike the scoring criteria but submission attempts that don't come close to working shouldn't score period. In fact if you attempt a submission or takedown and your opponent completely shuts you down they should score a little for that since they won the grappling exchange.

I don't believe in scoring time spent in a dominant position, activity/aggressiveness, or "cage control". You should only get points for successful techniques and damage and that knockdowns and really deep fully locked up submissions that are escaped should be worth about the same.
Torres active guard and subattempts was offense, where was DJ's offense on the ground? that's right he was too busy defending.
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Dream heavily favors damage just like mine but getting carded and losing points for inactivity is stupid you just shouldn't gain points for it. My system removes as much subjectivity as possible and doesn't allow judges to avoid justifying their decision with vague criteria. Making the scoring criteria as concrete as possible is the only way to hold judges responsible and allows for a system where they can be properly graded and extended or fired based on that.

You realize Machida wins his fight with Rampage under my system right? With aggression and cage control removed Rampage doesn't rack up points for cutting Machida off or holding him against the cage.
Torres active guard and subattempts was offense, where was DJ's offense on the ground? that's right he was too busy defending.


Also, Machida won the fight because he did more damage landed more shots and controlled the majority of the fight trying to finish Rampage.
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Rampage kicked Machidas ass. Any scoring system that sees Machida as the winner in that fight is a scoring system that should be burnt.
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Torres active guard and subattempts was offense, where was DJ's offense on the ground? that's right he was too busy defending.


Also, Machida won the fight because he did more damage landed more shots and controlled the majority of the fight trying to finish Rampage.
He was attempting to mount an offense and failing. You don't score a goal by missing the net.

You are pretty delusional if you think Machida was controlling and going for the finish in the first two rounds. He spent most of those rounds running away, not committing to his strikes, being cut off, and being pressed up against the cage. He can get awarded one of those rounds if you don't score aggression and hugging against the cage but by no means was he outclassing Page in the standup.
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