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post #21 of 34 (permalink) Old 06-02-2011, 12:12 AM
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Like most others I disagree with Paulo ... pulling guard with any top fighter nowadays seems to guarantee a sound pounding. By now every elite fighter knows "old school BJJ" enough to defend all but the Maia / Jacare levels.

Not to mention pulling guard against a guy who no one has ever taken down is pretty damn hard. Most likely they'll end up flopping and making asses of themselves like Leites and Maia against Andy.

IMO the way to beat Jones is to counter his Greco and Judoesque upper body centric style with someone who has a VERY fast shot. Yeah he's faced wrestlers, but he's faced slow, plodding, drive through wrestlers. He has not faced a Sonnen/GSP/Phil Davis type guy who will neutralize his reach with a fast deceptive shot.

In my experience, guys with great greco are inherently weak against a fast mixed in shot. It's one of those rock/paper/scizzors thing ... they train their whole life in the clinch and upper body misdirection, clinching/driving through with them is suicide. You need to take their legs out, fast. Their reflexes aren't as tuned to that as a top freestyler.
Man the best way to beat jones is not fight him at all. The man is to big to strong and to good for anyone to beat him. I love machida but his game plan would be come in and out fast. Last time he did he got ko by shogun. When a dude has a 9 inch reach on u unless ur grease lighting machida will get beat easily. I'm gonna say it now jon jones is unbeatable.
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Man the best way to beat jones is not fight him at all. The man is to big to strong and to good for anyone to beat him. I love machida but his game plan would be come in and out fast. Last time he did he got ko by shogun. When a dude has a 9 inch reach on u unless ur grease lighting machida will get beat easily. I'm gonna say it now jon jones is unbeatable.
lol as a Jones fan I like what you're saying, but if there's one thing MMA has taught me is that no one is unbeatable.

We'll see though, my money is on Davis being the guy to dethrone Bones, given enough time. May seem unlikely after Davis' tentative striking in his last fight, but the man learns fast, and styles make fights. And as time goes on I'm becoming a bigger fan of Davis than Jones.

In the meantime I expect Bones to handily plow through every other top LHW same as you do.
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lol as a Jones fan I like what you're saying, but if there's one thing MMA has taught me is that no one is unbeatable.

We'll see though, my money is on Davis being the guy to dethrone Bones, given enough time. May seem unlikely after Davis' tentative striking in his last fight, but the man learns fast, and styles make fights. And as time goes on I'm becoming a bigger fan of Davis than Jones.

In the meantime I expect Bones to handily plow through every other top LHW same as you do.
See the sad part is i don't like jon jones i will always cheer for his opponent. But he is so much physically gifted that anyone else its hard to bet against him. With time he gonna be unbeatable. His striking resembles a young silva and his wrestling is outstanding. Plus from what i have seen from his jujitsu thus far its like the rest of his game.
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See the sad part is i don't like jon jones i will always cheer for his opponent. But he is so much physically gifted that anyone else its hard to bet against him. With time he gonna be unbeatable. His striking resembles a young silva and his wrestling is outstanding. Plus from what i have seen from his jujitsu thus far its like the rest of his game.
I agree with you here about not liking him and him looking unbeatable. I dont think any of the current top LHWs can beat him except maybe an evolved Davis but trust me someone will come along soon enough. He is just the latest breed and more of his kind will come.

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Jon Jones already said that BJJ is his biggest weakness... I dont know why he thinks he has this Formula when all u have to do is watch Jon Jones interviews and he will be the firs to admit it...

When he becomes truly well rounded its going to be game over for 99% of fighters, and that 1% is because anyone can lose a fight at any given time, its just going to be crazy difficult

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Whats funny is this thread make me think 'damn, Filho hasn't fought in forever, is he still crazy and not making it to fights?!' so I fightfinder'd him and GD he's been active. He's had 8 fights since I'd seen him last armbarring Manhoef in Dream.

People tend to not lose crazy, so I'm still asuming that's present, but does anyone know how he's looked in any of the decision fights he's had in Brazil in the past couple of years?

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I respect what his opinion and makes sense to a degree; fight inside or try to keep your distance. Pulling guard is simply a top BJJ's mindset. Don't blame em, but he did mention that whoever that person is will need a ton of "heart"...lolz!

I'm still going with Machida. Simply because you can not train for the moves he has. That's what it will take. A surprise attack. JBJ trying a spinning elbow, jumping high kick and Machida will see an opening. I don't think JBJ will try to take Machida down nor could he keep him there. Shogun achieved full mount after knocking him down with the right overhand counter.

Can't wait to see Rampage vs JBJ. I wonder if JBJ can crack Rampage's thick skull open. *note* I am fan of Rampage.
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JBJ has one fairly obvious way to beat him.

1. Insane TDD
2. Insane handspeed
3. Stay the hell off the fence

that's how you beat him, you outstrike him and run like a little girl if he pushes you against the fence. Any fighter that can get in the pocket throw a small combo and get out quick, like Frankie Edgar, will be able to outpoint JBJ. Jones's hands are a little slow for that calliber of a fighter. He is dangerous everywhere to every opponent except striking middle of the octagon. Don't get too close or he goes with the knees and elbows, don't try to punch from too far because he has the reach advantage. If only Anderson Silva had better wrestling he could dominate Jones. The only guy I can really see beating Jones, or atleast having a chance is Rashad if he works nonstop on his TDD and his boxing.

-Rampage is way too slow
-The exact thing that happened to Shogun will happen to Machida
-Forrest would get annihilated anywhere
-Shogun doesn't have the TDD so he'll lose pretty much every time
-Hendo is too slow
-We've seen what Bader can do
-Phil Davis needs 2 years of GSP level training to catch up, he has the physical tools to win

That leaves Rashad and Anderson

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lol as a Jones fan I like what you're saying, but if there's one thing MMA has taught me is that no one is unbeatable.

We'll see though, my money is on Davis being the guy to dethrone Bones, given enough time. May seem unlikely after Davis' tentative striking in his last fight, but the man learns fast, and styles make fights. And as time goes on I'm becoming a bigger fan of Davis than Jones.

In the meantime I expect Bones to handily plow through every other top LHW same as you do.
My first pick was Davis as well. But after watching the Lil Nog fight I realized he's still too tentative and green. His striking is extremely raw. He relies solely on his takedowns. That will NOT work against JBJ as their wrestling will cancel each other out. Maybe in a couple of years of hardcore training. Problem with that is JBJ will get even better.

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See the sad part is i don't like jon jones i will always cheer for his opponent. But he is so much physically gifted that anyone else its hard to bet against him. With time he gonna be unbeatable. His striking resembles a young silva and his wrestling is outstanding. Plus from what i have seen from his jujitsu thus far its like the rest of his game.
I believe he will be dethroned within 24 months...lol. The man to do it is from Blackhouse.

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JBJ has one fairly obvious way to beat him.

1. Insane TDD
2. Insane handspeed
3. Stay the hell off the fence

The only guy I can really see beating Jones, or atleast having a chance is Rashad if he works nonstop on his TDD and his boxing.

-Rampage is way too slow
-The exact thing that happened to Shogun will happen to Machida
-Forrest would get annihilated anywhere
-Shogun doesn't have the TDD so he'll lose pretty much every time
-Hendo is too slow
-We've seen what Bader can do
-Phil Davis needs 2 years of GSP level training to catch up, he has the physical tools to win

That leaves Rashad and Anderson
Pretty much agree with everything except I feel Machida has a very good chance. He's unorthodox, is solid in the clinch, and is difficult to take down. Here's the order of bouts we will see.

1.) Rampage
2.) Rashad
3.) Machida
4.) Maybe Shogun x 2
5.) JDS moves down to LHW if he fails in the championship bid. *Why not. He's not a big HW to begin with.*

If all else fails, Anderson "The Spider" Silva will come in and take care of the job. Fawk if this ever happens. That means Anderson Silva would have already beaten GSP and probably has an almost unbeatable MW defense record providing he defends against Okami, etc.

That would be sick.
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