The Pros and Cons of Five-Round, Non-Title Fights - MMA Forum - UFC Forums - UFC Results - MMA Videos
UFC The Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) is a U.S.-based mixed martial arts organization, recognized as the largest MMA promotion in the world. The UFC is headquartered in Las Vegas, Nevada and is owned and operated by Zuffa, LLC. This promotion is responsible for solidifying the sport's postion in the history-books. UFC is currently undergoing a remarkable surge in popularity, along with greater mainstream media coverage. UFC programming can now be seen on FOX, FX, and FUEL TV in the United States, as well as in 35 other countries worldwide.

Reply

Old 06-23-2011, 12:42 AM   #1 (permalink)
The Avy Slut
 
Indestructibl3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 3,342
Indestructibl3 Is Destined For GreatnessIndestructibl3 Is Destined For GreatnessIndestructibl3 Is Destined For GreatnessIndestructibl3 Is Destined For GreatnessIndestructibl3 Is Destined For GreatnessIndestructibl3 Is Destined For GreatnessIndestructibl3 Is Destined For GreatnessIndestructibl3 Is Destined For GreatnessIndestructibl3 Is Destined For GreatnessIndestructibl3 Is Destined For GreatnessIndestructibl3 Is Destined For Greatness
The Pros and Cons of Five-Round, Non-Title Fights

http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/06/2...-title-fights/

Quote:
As recently as the summer of 2009, UFC president Dana White dismissed the possibility of five-round, non-title fights, calling himself a "purist" in regards to history. Since before he and his partners bought the company -- since July 1999 -- championship bouts had been the only ones sanctioned for 25 minutes. Over the last two years though, White slowly came around to a different way of thinking, partially prodded along by fights with questionable conclusions, as well as by fans who pushed him on the possibility.

Starting around October, the UFC will designate all non-title main events as five-rounders, adding an extra element to many shows.

But the change will not be so simple as 10 extra contracted minutes. There are other factors in play for fighters, the promotion and more. While five-round, non-title fights are inevitably in the UFC's future, here is a look at some of the future challenges and situations that could add a degree of difficulty to the change.

No. 1 Contenders Fights
Adding two rounds is a no-brainer when the No. 1 contenders fight is billed as the main event. But what about if a No. 1 contenders fight is the co-main event? Then we'll be left with an unbalanced situation where one top contenders' fight is a five-rounder, and another is a three-rounder. That doesn't exactly seem fair.

A five-round bout gives a thinking fighter more time to enact a plan (think Anderson Silva vs. Chael Sonnen), and a conditioned fighter time to rally back from a slow start (think Frankie Edgar vs. Gray Maynard). All championship fights are five rounds. No. 1 contenders' fights will not have that same level of consistency, and that makes the playing field uneven.

Late Notice Replacements
Shane Carwin was training for a UFC 131 bout with Jon Olav Einemo when Brock Lesnar suffered a recurrence of diverticulitis and was forced out of his main event fight against Junior dos Santos. That gave Carwin an opening, and he took the short-notice fight with a month to prepare. But what if he had been training for a three-round bout and then had to agree to a five-round fight?

White said fighters who agree to short-notice main events will have to agree to the five-round stipulation, similar to fighters who take title fights on little time (see Jon Jones vs. Mauricio Rua). That's a casualty of doing business, and while it certainly puts the short-notice fighter at a disadvantage, at least the fighter in theory has an option.

Fights Bumped to Main Event Status
At UFC 130, Edgar and Maynard were supposed to battle for a third time in the lightweight championship main event. Instead, both suffered injuries and withdrew with less than three weeks to go, and a light-heavyweight bout with Quinton "Rampage" Jackson against Matt Hamill was bumped up to the main event.

In this case, White says the fighters will not be forced to fight a five-round bout, and will still stick to their three-round contracts. That seems fair.

Fight Placement
Most fighters don't particularly care when their bout takes place as long as it is televised. In the future, they may have more specific desires. Unless they're fighting for a championship, some fighters may prefer not to be a main event, solely because they know it will entail a more strenuous camp for conditioning purposes.

But another concern is how UFC designs cards. It doesn't happen too often, but there are times when high-profile fights get placed below ones with less importance. A recent case of this was at The Ultimate Fighter 13 FInale, when Anthony Pettis and Clay Guida were the co-main event, underneath the Tony Ferguson-Ramsey Nijem TUF title fight. The Pettis-Guida fight had much larger implications, with Pettis trying to keep his No. 1 contender spot, and even though he lost a 30-27 decision across the board, who knows what could have happened if he had two more rounds with which to work?

If the five-round development is to truly have meaning, the most significant divisional fight has to be the main event.

Money
Here's the elephant in the room. Longer fights generally require longer camps and more work. Fighters will want to be compensated for it. Just ask Nate Marquardt, who is headlining June 26's UFC on Versus event against Rick Story.

"For me, I feel that'd be great as long as we're compensated," he said. "I think for five-round fights, fighters should be paid more, so if that's the case, heck yeah."

Fighters tend to get more sponsorship dollars when they're in main events, and five-round fights can also result in more TV time (also good for sponsors), but whether the UFC adds extra financial incentive seems to be no gimme.

Foreign Issues
This is a small concern to be sure, but it's a concern nonetheless as the UFC continues to open foreign markets. One of those nations the promotion has long discussed visiting is Sweden.

Sweden's governing body -- SMMAF -- only sanctions three-round matches. It is entirely possible that the UFC can ask for a waiver to sanction a five-round main-event, but again, it is no sure thing.

^^^ did not know that ...

Statistics
The best reason for five-round, non-title fights -- perhaps the one that trumps all -- is having more decisive endings. Simply put, statistics show that longer fights are more likely to end with clear conclusions. For the purpose of this, we'll define draws and split-decisions as "non-decisive endings."

Since five-round title fights became the standard at UFC 21, there have been 103 championship bouts contested. Only two have ended in draws: BJ Penn vs. Caol Uno at UFC 41, and Frankie Edgar vs. Gray Maynard at UFC 125. There has never been a split-decision in UFC championship history. So less than two percent of title bouts have finished in non-decisive endings.

By comparison, we can look at UFC shows from over the last two years, during which time the UFC has held 46 events. Sixteen of those events had championship matches headlining the show while 30 did not.

In those 30 three-round main events, there were three split-decisions and one draw, meaning 13.3 percent of the bouts ended with non-decisive endings.

Whether a fight goes three rounds or 13, there will continue to be questionable judges' decisions at times, but that number should decrease as longer fights lead to more decisive victories. Five-round non-title bouts have their issues, but if the ultimate result is more clarity, the change is worth the trouble.

By Mike Chiappetta
I thought those were the 2 biggest issues here ... great article though, go MMAFighting.
__________________
Thanks to limba for this AWESOME sig
Indestructibl3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 

Old 06-23-2011, 02:17 AM   #2 (permalink)
Welterweight
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 2,200
Dtwizzy2k5 is on another level nowDtwizzy2k5 is on another level nowDtwizzy2k5 is on another level nowDtwizzy2k5 is on another level nowDtwizzy2k5 is on another level nowDtwizzy2k5 is on another level nowDtwizzy2k5 is on another level nowDtwizzy2k5 is on another level nowDtwizzy2k5 is on another level nowDtwizzy2k5 is on another level nowDtwizzy2k5 is on another level now
I believe that only PPV main events should be 5 rounds long, because I don't think anybody wants to see Ramsey Nijem vs Toney Ferguson in a five rounder as the article mentioned.
Dtwizzy2k5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2011, 02:20 AM   #3 (permalink)
Don't Sweat the Technique
 
St.Paul Guy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Duluth, MN
Posts: 1,660
St.Paul Guy Is Destined For GreatnessSt.Paul Guy Is Destined For GreatnessSt.Paul Guy Is Destined For GreatnessSt.Paul Guy Is Destined For GreatnessSt.Paul Guy Is Destined For GreatnessSt.Paul Guy Is Destined For GreatnessSt.Paul Guy Is Destined For GreatnessSt.Paul Guy Is Destined For GreatnessSt.Paul Guy Is Destined For GreatnessSt.Paul Guy Is Destined For GreatnessSt.Paul Guy Is Destined For Greatness
I'm leaning slightly against 5 round non-title fights at the moment. Especially if they're going to have Hardy/Lytle type of main events. Perhaps if they just made it non-title PPV events, although those should become more rare with the newly added weight classes.
__________________



Sig credit: MC

~ Lifetime Membership sponsored by RustyRenegade ~
St.Paul Guy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2011, 03:59 AM   #4 (permalink)
The Avy Slut
 
Indestructibl3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 3,342
Indestructibl3 Is Destined For GreatnessIndestructibl3 Is Destined For GreatnessIndestructibl3 Is Destined For GreatnessIndestructibl3 Is Destined For GreatnessIndestructibl3 Is Destined For GreatnessIndestructibl3 Is Destined For GreatnessIndestructibl3 Is Destined For GreatnessIndestructibl3 Is Destined For GreatnessIndestructibl3 Is Destined For GreatnessIndestructibl3 Is Destined For GreatnessIndestructibl3 Is Destined For Greatness
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dtwizzy2k5 View Post
I believe that only PPV main events should be 5 rounds long, because I don't think anybody wants to see Ramsey Nijem vs Toney Ferguson in a five rounder as the article mentioned.
Yeah definitely agreed.
__________________
Thanks to limba for this AWESOME sig
Indestructibl3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2011, 04:21 AM   #5 (permalink)
Bantamweight
 
Pound&Mound's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 787
Pound&Mound is on another level nowPound&Mound is on another level nowPound&Mound is on another level nowPound&Mound is on another level nowPound&Mound is on another level nowPound&Mound is on another level nowPound&Mound is on another level nowPound&Mound is on another level nowPound&Mound is on another level nowPound&Mound is on another level nowPound&Mound is on another level now
Pros: Fights like BJ Penn vs Jon Fitch


Cons: Jon Fitch
Pound&Mound is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2011, 04:37 AM   #6 (permalink)
Bantamweight
 
METALLICA_RULES's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Australia
Posts: 664
METALLICA_RULES has a brilliant futureMETALLICA_RULES has a brilliant futureMETALLICA_RULES has a brilliant futureMETALLICA_RULES has a brilliant futureMETALLICA_RULES has a brilliant futureMETALLICA_RULES has a brilliant futureMETALLICA_RULES has a brilliant futureMETALLICA_RULES has a brilliant futureMETALLICA_RULES has a brilliant futureMETALLICA_RULES has a brilliant futureMETALLICA_RULES has a brilliant future
pros (for jon fitch only): two more rounds for Jon Fitch to lay and pray

cons: having to sit through two more rounds of Jon Fitch laying and praying
METALLICA_RULES is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2011, 07:04 AM   #7 (permalink)
Bantamweight
 
T.Bone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 567
T.Bone will become famous soon enoughT.Bone will become famous soon enoughT.Bone will become famous soon enoughT.Bone will become famous soon enoughT.Bone will become famous soon enoughT.Bone will become famous soon enoughT.Bone will become famous soon enoughT.Bone will become famous soon enoughT.Bone will become famous soon enoughT.Bone will become famous soon enoughT.Bone will become famous soon enough
I think it takes a bit of credibilty away from the sport and makes title fights a bit less special but I'm not overly bothered as hopefully we'll get to see some good scraps aswell.
T.Bone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2011, 08:51 AM   #8 (permalink)
Heavyweight
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 3,705
Spec0688 is on another level nowSpec0688 is on another level nowSpec0688 is on another level nowSpec0688 is on another level nowSpec0688 is on another level nowSpec0688 is on another level nowSpec0688 is on another level nowSpec0688 is on another level nowSpec0688 is on another level nowSpec0688 is on another level nowSpec0688 is on another level now
Doesn't every fighter strive to be a champion at one point in his career? they will need to be ready to possibly go 25 minutes and what better way to get them prepared then fighting 5 rounds earlier on.

I don't see a problem with it, if anything, fighters will need to get in better shape which is always a good thing. Nothing frustrates me more watching fighters gas early in round 1 or mid round 2.
Spec0688 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2011, 12:11 PM   #9 (permalink)
Middleweight
 
KillerShark1985's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Essex, UK
Posts: 2,806
KillerShark1985 Is Beyond A Rankings SystemKillerShark1985 Is Beyond A Rankings SystemKillerShark1985 Is Beyond A Rankings SystemKillerShark1985 Is Beyond A Rankings SystemKillerShark1985 Is Beyond A Rankings SystemKillerShark1985 Is Beyond A Rankings SystemKillerShark1985 Is Beyond A Rankings SystemKillerShark1985 Is Beyond A Rankings SystemKillerShark1985 Is Beyond A Rankings SystemKillerShark1985 Is Beyond A Rankings SystemKillerShark1985 Is Beyond A Rankings System
I think they should keep it like it is not where only title fights are 5 rounds, except in the case of a draw during any non title fight where then up to 2 tie breaker rounds could be used to settle the result, except the odds of ever going beyond the 4th round in this situation is very slim since this round would also have to be a draw in order to go to a fight.

As for the Main Event theory, in cases where the UFC or any other promotion demand the need for a 5 round fight, I think they should from time to time incorporate the use of an interim belt, which would in effect guarantee the winner of the 5 round fight a title shot next, with this been in mind that it would bring new service to the interim belt and there should only be one interim belt in service at an given time in any division, and by right the belts should unify at the very first chance available, once again then giving to UFC the option of bringing the interim belt into play in that division and creating an indisputable No.1 contender. However I don;t think this should be every main event only select ones.
__________________

KillerShark1985 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2011, 12:30 PM   #10 (permalink)
Number 1 Nerf-Herder
 
Dr Gonzo's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 2,150
Dr Gonzo Is A BallerDr Gonzo Is A BallerDr Gonzo Is A BallerDr Gonzo Is A BallerDr Gonzo Is A BallerDr Gonzo Is A BallerDr Gonzo Is A BallerDr Gonzo Is A BallerDr Gonzo Is A BallerDr Gonzo Is A BallerDr Gonzo Is A Baller
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spec0688 View Post
Doesn't every fighter strive to be a champion at one point in his career? they will need to be ready to possibly go 25 minutes and what better way to get them prepared then fighting 5 rounds earlier on.

I don't see a problem with it, if anything, fighters will need to get in better shape which is always a good thing. Nothing frustrates me more watching fighters gas early in round 1 or mid round 2.
This. Took words from my mouth.
__________________




I used to be Tyson Fury but now I'm not.
Dr Gonzo is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On

VerticalSports
Baseball Forum Golf Forum Boxing Forum Snowmobile Forum
Basketball Forum Soccer Forum MMA Forum PWC Forum
Football Forum Cricket Forum Wrestling Forum ATV Forum
Hockey Forum Volleyball Forum Paintball Forum Snowboarding Forum
Tennis Forum Rugby Forums Lacrosse Forum Skiing Forums
Copyright (C) Verticalscope Inc SEO by vBSEO 3.3.2
Powered by vBulletin Copyright 2000-2009 Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.
vBCredits v1.4 Copyright ©2007, PixelFX Studios