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post #11 of 66 (permalink) Old 07-08-2011, 02:29 PM Thread Starter
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And you could even make a case about Liddell. Guy runs through the UFC (with the exception of Couture), then comes in to Pride and loses to Rampage. Comes back to the UFC and gets another streak rolling. And although Rampage wasn't one of the guys Sonnen mentioned, he did get beat by Silva 2 times while in Pride.
We all remember that Rampage was complaining about judging during his fights with Silva. When the second fight hit the ground, referee told them to stand up (and that was a terrible decision in the eyes of many fans, but suited Wanderlei), which led to vicious KO.

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Sonnen is a moron, Fedor was a great fighter he is just OLD now and everybody starts losing once they get old. This is just a fact of life, and it's the same thing that happened to Chuck Liddell, Wanderlei Silva, and Cro Cop.

I watched that whole interview and I thought it was funny how Sonnen forgot to mention guys from Pride who had success who also have great success in the UFC like Rampage (UFC champion), Shogun (UFC champion), and Anderson Silva (UFC champion/made Sonnen give up in a fight).

**** Chael Sonnen, he doesn't even believe the things he says he just says them to piss people off and make the dumber fans buy into his BS.
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Wanderlei never looked great in UFC, in his debut in 90s he was brutally knocked out by Belfort, beat some guy, whom wiki doesn't even know, then lost to Ortiz and moved to PRIDE to build a career. Then he came back in 2007 and the same thing continued...
He lost to Belfort back when Belfort was an absolute beast, and to Ortiz right around the time Ortiz was putting together the best LHW streak that (correct me if I am wrong) still stands now. Not shabby loses by any stretch. I don't think anyone believes Wandy was the greatest LHW of all time or whatever. Even great fighters lose, it doesn't discount their achievements.

I admit I am a big fan, but I am not blind to think that he was the greatest or anything, I would have put my money on Chuck beating him during that time when they were both on a roll. But Wandy certainy wasn't a paper tiger either.
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Well..

Wandy, Cro cop and fedor suck in the same way that: randy couture sucks, chuck Liddell sucks, Royce Gracie sucks, matt Hughes sucks.. Some say it's time, changing of the guard, new generation w.e at one point these were the best fighters in the world.



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Sure Chael is trolling you guys and doing a great job but, there are little kernels of truth in things that he says.

Wandy's record includes 9 Japanese cans and 7 more names that I can't place.

Nog armbarred Mark Coleman of all people and was instantly declared the greatest HW BJJ fighter in the world. He then gets beaten 1/2 to death by Bob Sapp Gnp'd into the hospital by Fedor and out BJJ'd by Ricco Rodriguez. I challenge anyone to watch that fight and say Nog won.

if you watch sakurabas fights it's hard not to believe the part about the ear pieces. Especially against Kimo,belfort, and his(Prides) robbery of Guy Metzger.

On the flip side sakuraba/Newton and wandy/Metzger are in my opinion, 2 of the greatest fights ever so who ******* cares.

Underneath the insults and comedy his basic point that they did great in Japan and not so great in the USA is accurate.

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Sonnen is a moron, Fedor was a great fighter he is just OLD now and everybody starts losing once they get old. This is just a fact of life, and it's the same thing that happened to Chuck Liddell, Wanderlei Silva, and Cro Cop
Well, Fedor is not that old, he's just 34 (soon to be 35). He didn't take tons of punishment during his PRIDE fights comparing to NOG or Wanderlei, so he shouldn't be far from his prime based solely on his age... His skills are still where they should be, so, applying Sonnen's interesting logic about fighters from the same era (Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis ), Fedor still HAS TO be much better than Shane Carwin, Frank Mir, Fabricio Werdum, Roy Nelson, Cheick Kongo and Brock Lesnar to justify his undisputed #1 status among all heavyweights of HIS era, because these guys are the same age or very close to Fedor's. Now, JDS and Cain are much younger, they started MMA much later, so they are the TRUE new generation, no doubt. We can't compare those 2 to Fedor and they can't influence Fedor's supremacy of that era.

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Sonnen is a moron, Fedor was a great fighter he is just OLD now and everybody starts losing once they get old.
Compared to who? Jon Jones? Yes. But you don't see Anderson getting old (he is 2 years older) or Machida (only 1 year older). And there are more examples.
It's weird in MMA though. It's like, your 'real life age' doesn't even matter, but what matters is your 'MMA age', aka how long have you've been in the sport.
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Sure Chael is trolling you guys and doing a great job but, there are little kernels of truth in things that he says.

Wandy's record includes 9 Japanese cans and 7 more names that I can't place.

Nog armbarred Mark Coleman of all people and was instantly declared the greatest HW BJJ fighter in the world. He then gets beaten 1/2 to death by Bob Sapp Gnp'd into the hospital by Fedor and out BJJ'd by Ricco Rodriguez. I challenge anyone to watch that fight and say Nog won.

if you watch sakurabas fights it's hard not to believe the part about the ear pieces. Especially against Kimo,belfort, and his(Prides) robbery of Guy Metzger.

On the flip side sakuraba/Newton and wandy/Metzger are in my opinion, 2 of the greatest fights ever so who ******* cares.

Underneath the insults and comedy his basic point that they did great in Japan and not so great in the USA is accurate.
The ref ear pieces in Pride always rubbed me the wrong way... why would a trained ref need verbal input from a source that is not in the ring?? It just added a line of influence from an outside the fight itself which is extremely shady imo and would never fly here in the U.S.

On par with that, Sakaraba vs. Shamrock was one of the worse cases of early stoppages I've seen considering how some other fights in pride went down.

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Well..

Wandy, Cro cop and fedor suck in the same way that: randy couture sucks, chuck Liddell sucks, Royce Gracie sucks, matt Hughes sucks.. Some say it's time, changing of the guard, new generation w.e at one point these were the best fighters in the world.
Exactly. If you look at the guys who were on top in the UFC when Wandy & Fedor were champs in Pride, well, they ain't doing too well either are they? That's just the way it goes, the fight game progresses every year while fighters get older and more beat up. If you can't keep up you're left behind.
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