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View Poll Results: Do you agree with Chael Sonnen?

Yes, absolutely 14 21.54%
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Sonnen is right about 2 fighters 12 18.46%
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Old 07-09-2011, 02:57 PM   #61 (permalink)
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well, i do think some fights were ''easy fights'', were fixed so that wandy and fedor kept on winning, but i think majority were just normal fights and they were that good

though when they say fixed it doesnt mean these guys had the whole fight planned like wrestling lol...only the worst orgs do that, they were fixed in the sense that the other guy was going to take a dive

i dont even think wandy, fedor and cro cop even knew some guys were paid to take dives, but i wouldnt doubt they were

pride started to become heavily influenced by the yakuza once it started becoming very big...it would seem logical that the yakuza would want pride to get bigger and protect their best fighters by paying other fighters to take dives

of course i dont believe this 100% and i think most of their fights were wars, im just saying i wouldnt dout some fights were fixed

though everything was full contact...thats obvious, even stevie wonder would tell you that
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Pretty sure Rampage eluded to that in an interview. He talked about how he thought they might have given him food poisoning or something if I recall correctly.

But then again, it is Rampage...

And I definitely wouldn't say it was completely fake, but in some cases I wouldn't doubt it was fixed.
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Old 07-09-2011, 03:28 PM   #63 (permalink)
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The problem is the fights were fixed in Pride. Everybody in MMA in Japan knows this. It was run by the Yakuza simple as that. Yakuza pay you lots of money to fight, and they tell you to do something you do it.

Those guys were earning peanuts back then so its hard to blame them going there and making some cash. Its not as if the sport was in the worlds eye demanding integrity from role models

All of those fighters sonnen is talking about are good fighters. I would say Nog is a great fighter. Fedor we'll never really know. Cro Cop, what a fu**in disaster and a let down. "Right foot stuck to the floor, left foot stuck up his ass" Wandy, well the point about him getting destroyed in the UFC and then going to be a legend in pride is pretty valid.

The fact is, because none of them have been UFC champs or done well in the UFC (except nog who I think has performed well) so what Sonnen says is correct to a degree. Its just the way he says it people don't like.
I mean if you come out and say King Kong Bundy was a great fighter you'd be laughed at for being so naive as to think wrestling wasnt fixed. Its the same with Pride. It was fixed for betting, and to think otherwise is naive. Go down the local sushi restaurant and ask the chef and he will tell you. I wouldn't be talking too much shit about it either if I was one of those fighters - 'oh yeah those yakuza guys, they are gay, they fixed everything in pride". So thats why its not talked about.

Sonnen is the king of trash talk, the gag about the bus is brilliant. But jeez I wouldn't be going to brazil any time soon if I were him!
actually every mma org in japan has influence from the yakuza, and pretty much every1 knows this, pride got shut down because it became public news, but every1 knew about it

the yakuza just want the org to pay them so they can keep running their company, they do this even with small orgs like sengouku, and you can bet dream is involved with them also

i do agree that some fights were fixed though, pride was becoming huge and i think the bigger it became the more influence the yakuza had on it, they wanted more money, wanted to protect the top fighters, i wouldnt say the fights were fixed in a wrestling sort of way, its obvious the contact was real

but i wouldnt be surprised to know that some fighters were paid to take dives against guys like wandy, cro cop or fedor, they also matched them up many times with guys they knew werent good enough to beat them

i do think they were protected, but they still had amazing legit wars also
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The problem is the fights were fixed in Pride. Everybody in MMA in Japan knows this. It was run by the Yakuza simple as that. Yakuza pay you lots of money to fight, and they tell you to do something you do it.

Those guys were earning peanuts back then so its hard to blame them going there and making some cash. Its not as if the sport was in the worlds eye demanding integrity from role models

All of those fighters sonnen is talking about are good fighters. I would say Nog is a great fighter. Fedor we'll never really know. Cro Cop, what a fu**in disaster and a let down. "Right foot stuck to the floor, left foot stuck up his ass" Wandy, well the point about him getting destroyed in the UFC and then going to be a legend in pride is pretty valid.

The fact is, because none of them have been UFC champs or done well in the UFC (except nog who I think has performed well) so what Sonnen says is correct to a degree. Its just the way he says it people don't like.
I agree with you about Nogueira. I highly doubt he was payed to take all that punishment in PRIDE. I have nothing but respect for him despite his unsuccessful run in the UFC where he gets dropped and beat up in almost every fight. He still managed to grab the UFC belt once and that's huge.

Now, Sonnen made a mistake saying that Fedor is 3-2 in USA. In fact, Fedor is 4-2, because he also fought and beat Coleman in Vegas. But still, this was old Mark Coleman whose best days were evidently behind, and he didn't deserve the title shot...

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Old 07-09-2011, 05:36 PM   #65 (permalink)
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Fedor and Crocop would have done fine at LHW and it isn't like Crocop has zero UFC wins he is 4 and 5 in the UFC and two of those losses are against Mir and JDS and another is a fight against Kongo where he got kneed in the balls like 15 times and somehow Kongo didn't get DQed. The bottomline is though those guys are both LHWs and should have made the cut as soon as a real heavyweight division started forming. Chael can't beat brazilians I guess that makes all of his wins not matter as well. If he fights Andy, Maia, and Rousimar in order he is out of the UFC.
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Wandy, Cro cop and fedor suck in the same way that: randy couture sucks, chuck Liddell sucks, Royce Gracie sucks, matt Hughes sucks.. Some say it's time, changing of the guard, new generation w.e at one point these were the best fighters in the world.
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Fedor just came from a time when fighters were either big or good and now the fact he is to damn small for HW has became clear. He also seems to have lost interest in a lot of ways since the M-1 drama has continued to unfold.
Why has the thread continued after these two posts? They nailed it, IMO.
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