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Old 07-09-2011, 06:55 PM   #21 (permalink)
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The main thing going for GSP is that his opponent's have had a higher win % than Anderson, Jose, Edgar, or Cruz.

Although Jon Jones has beaten 12-0, 25-5, and 19-4, 10-3, 11-5, and 11-2 for his last 6 opponents.

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Old 07-09-2011, 07:04 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Whens the last time GSP has been in trouble?
Who can say they beat GSP without being dominated by GSP at least once?
Who other than Nick Diaz who is in the top 10 that GSP has not beaten?
Who controls where the fight goes?
Who is the most well rounded champion?


GSP is P4P the best fighter. I don't understand the argument for Anderson Silva. He was held down and punched in the face by a guy who has never been considered a top 10 P4P fighter for over 22 minutes. -- What kind of counter argument could any one possibly create that justifies that man being P4P the best?? His ribs hurt???

Anderson is freakish but you can't expect to be P4P the best if you have that big of a hole in your game.
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Whens the last time GSP has been in trouble?
Who can say they beat GSP without being dominated by GSP at least once?
Who other than Nick Diaz who is in the top 10 that GSP has not beaten?
Who controls where the fight goes?
Who is the most well rounded champion?


GSP is P4P the best fighter. I don't understand the argument for Anderson Silva. He was held down and punched in the face by a guy who has never been considered a top 10 P4P fighter for over 22 minutes. -- What kind of counter argument could any one possibly create that justifies that man being P4P the best?? His ribs hurt???

Anderson is freakish but you can't expect to be P4P the best if you have that big of a hole in your game.
you are a ****in idiot. Fedor was the p4p king before he lost, and guess what, he was dominated on the feet PLENTY of times, out classed on the ground, nearly knocked out, nearly subbed. MANY times, but what made him the p4p king was the he won. It didnt matter how, it didnt matter how close he was to losing, all the mattered was he got the W. Fedor didnt play it safe, he went in to win. Anderson silva doesnt control where fights go? Are you serious? Watch the maia fight, he controlled the fight. The only fight he hasnt controlled was the chael fight and maybe the hendo fight, but guess what, he WON. If he can get dominated in one area and still win, what more can you ask from him? Anderson Silva has never lost in the UFC, gsp has lost twice. who has the highest win percentage in the UFC vs top opponents? Anderson silva. Thats why hes #1. Thats why no matter how many guys GSP out points, he wont be #1. Because he lost twice and anderson silva doesnt have to out point guys to win. End of story.



Its not a hole in his game if he still wins in that "hole".

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Old 07-09-2011, 07:17 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I dont understand the argument of "GSP fights in a tougher weight class", because how do you know? yeah they may have been bigger "names" there but that doesnt mean its a better division, and to negate that argument anyway Anderson has fought and beat a top 5 opponent in the LHW division. Completly putting his reputation on line for no reason at all other than he wants to prove he is the best fighter in the world. GSP wont even trade with grapplers just because theres a slight chance he may get caught.
He also beat Sakurai at WW when he was top 5 before he was in that car accident. So we have Anderson Silva who has beaten top ten fighters in 3 weight classes, has the longest championship reign in UFC history, and the best highlight reel in the history of the sport against a guy who hugs and jabs people for 5 rounds who lost his belt to a sub gatekeeper fighter once upon a time with no mitigating circumstances to excuse it.

It isn't like Serra poked him in the eye and TKOed him while he was blind or GSP had some bad injury going into the fight. He got straight up beat down by an old mediocre midget fighter while he was in his prime. Beating Serra in the rematch doesn't remove that loss and his refusal to take risks to win since then amplifies it.

Who has GSP even beaten that is so impressive? BJ Penn is seriously still this guys best win. A LW fighting at WW, come on. Anderson Silva destroyed Rich Franklin(twice), Dan Henderson, Vitor Belfort, and Forrest Griffin. Fitch isn't even a better fighter than Forrest Griffin they are essentially the same person Fitch just doesn't fight stupidly and gets decisions.
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He also beat Sakurai at WW when he was top 5 before he was in that car accident. So we have Anderson Silva who has beaten top ten fighters in 3 weight classes, has the longest championship reign in UFC history, and the best highlight reel in the history of the sport against a guy who hugs and jabs people for 5 rounds who lost his belt to a sub gatekeeper fighter once upon a time with no mitigating circumstances to excuse it.

It isn't like Serra poked him in the eye and TKOed him while he was blind or GSP had some bad injury going into the fight. He got straight up beat down by an old mediocre midget fighter while he was in his prime. Beating Serra in the rematch doesn't remove that loss and his refusal to take risks to win since then amplifies it.

Who has GSP even beaten that is so impressive? BJ Penn is seriously still this guys best win. A LW fighting at WW, come on. Anderson Silva destroyed Rich Franklin(twice), Dan Henderson, Vitor Belfort, and Forrest Griffin. Fitch isn't even a better fighter than Forrest Griffin they are essentially the same person Fitch just doesn't fight stupidly and gets decisions.
lolbro. GSP has beaten EVERYONE. Hughes (P4P), Fitch (P4P), Penn (P4P), Shields (P4P). And that's just the people from the top P4P list he's beaten. Hell I'm confident both Fitch and Shields would UD Silva.
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There should be no weight classes and a 265lb limit in the UFC, so the little guys cant hide behind weight restrictions and get pounded on by heavyweights! Then we can finally see who is the greatest fighter in mma and not be stuck on this pound for pound bullshit.
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I dont understand the argument of "GSP fights in a tougher weight class", because how do you know? yeah they may have been bigger "names" there but that doesnt mean its a better division, and to negate that argument anyway Anderson has fought and beat a top 5 opponent in the LHW division. Completly putting his reputation on line for no reason at all other than he wants to prove he is the best fighter in the world. GSP wont even trade with grapplers just because theres a slight chance he may get caught.
Well.....I have a couple issues with some of your opinions.

First and foremost you could say that he cherry picked his 205 guys in Griffin and Irvin neither guy has the abilities that cause Silva problems (Wrestling submissions). And as Toxic is pointing out with Penn taking those fights can make a career. The implication is that he could win the LHW title, yet he's "friends" with Machida and Ruas, he's to "busy" to face Jones, and he won't say anything about Evans.

Secondly the argument about Silva not facing top competition is a legitimate one really how many middleweights are in consideration for p4p rankings? I'm a huge Okami/Lombard fan but they are at the bottom of a top 25. How many guys spend years hanging around the top of the rankings? And then you look at the guys who fought for the title and how very quickly they are out of the UFC or on the undercard. The issue isn't welterweight vs middleweight, it's middleweight vs every other weight class.
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lolbro. GSP has beaten EVERYONE. Hughes (P4P), Fitch (P4P), Penn (P4P), Shields (P4P). And that's just the people from the top P4P list he's beaten. Hell I'm confident both Fitch and Shields would UD Silva.
Fitch and Shields P4P frauds and BJ Penn LW. Come tell me about how great Shields is when he actually wins a fight in the UFC because I watched Kampmann and GSP both beat him and never be put in a position where it looked like Shields could finish them. Jakes Shields is the number one P4P least dangerous fighter in the UFC all he does is hug and girl slap. Doesn't go for submissions and doesn't hurt anyone with strikes outside of eye pokes. You are pretty delusional if you think those guys can survive 5 rounds with Anderson.
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BJ made a career out of being the smaller guy. BJ has tested himself against bigger guys, how many others on that list can say the same? Haters gonna hate.
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