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Old 07-09-2011, 10:54 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Sherdog's top 10 Pound for Pound rankings.... WTF?

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1. Georges St. Pierre (22-2)
Georges St. Pierre has been cleaning out the elites of the welterweight division with startling, unprecedented efficiency. Over the last four years, St. Pierre has dominated the most impressive schedule of opponents in MMA, making other pound-for-pounders look ordinary. However, as a result of his dominance as well his style, constantly critiqued for its conservatism, onlookers demanded a new-look opponent for GSP. Dana White complied with fans' wishes, signing former Strikeforce champ Nick Diaz to a new UFC contract, paving the way for a major St. Pierre-Diaz showdown at UFC 137 on Oct. 29.

2. Anderson Silva (30-4)
Anderson Silva has just one loss in the last six-and-a-half years, his infamous January 2006 disqualification loss against Yushin Okami. At UFC 134 on Aug. 27, he'll have the chance to avenge the defeat, and in the process, add one of the few remaining outstanding middleweights he hasn't beat to his docket. Though challengers such as Mark Munoz and Brian Stann are developing, if Silva was to best Okami in Rio, the drum would assuredly begin to beat once again for either a much-wanted showdown with welterweight king Georges St. Pierre, or another trek up to 205 pounds.



3. Jose Aldo (19-1)
Few fighters have the dynamism that Jose Aldo possesses, a trait that saw him rocket to the top of the 145-pound division. However, Aldo's ongoing neck issues have slowed the Brazilian's roll. First, Aldo's health stalled discussions of a bout against unbeaten wrestling standout Chad Mendes. Now, it has left his slated bout with former UFC lightweight challenger Kenny Florian -- a win that would be the most outstanding of Aldo's career -- without a set date. On the upside: when he's healthy, Aldo has a quickly expanding pool of opponents, as more fine featherweights emerge and more accomplished lightweights make the cut to 145.

4. Frankie Edgar (13-1-1)
In spite of taking a pair of wins over an all-time great in B.J. Penn, many still view the UFC lightweight champion with skepticism. January's bout with Gray Maynard was Edgar's chance to cement his place in the MMA world, however, the disastrous opening period meant Edgar's heart, not his skills, had to take center stage. An Edgar back injury has postponed a third match with Maynard later this year, and should he win, he'll have no shortage of contenders, as the UFC lightweight division is seemingly overflowing with contenders such as Jim Miller, Melvin Guillard and Clay Guida to name just a few.

5. Jon Fitch (23-3-1, 1 NC)
The UFC welterweight division’s other dominant wrestler remains on the shelf, but not for long. Fitch and B.J. Penn were set for a July rematch after fighting to a draw in February, but injuries to both men -- and shoulder surgery for Fitch -- prevented the return bout. The 33-year-old American Kickboxing Academy product stated in June that he will resume training in September, in anticipation of possible Nov. 19 scrap with Penn at UFC 138, rumored to take place in Fitch’s adopted hometown of San Jose, Calif.

6. Jon Jones (13-1)
After some confusion, it’s been settled: the UFC’s youngest champ will defend his 205-pound title this fall, just not against Rashad Evans. Following a remarkable and brutal win over Marucio “Shogun” Rua in March, former training partners Jones and Evans were slated for an August tilt. That bout was scratched after 23-year-old “Bones” was sidelined with a recurring hand injury. As it turns out, Jones’ hand didn’t require surgery, but with Evans already booked for an August clash with Phil Davis, the young star has been booked for a Sept. 24 meeting with ex-champ Quinton "Rampage" Jackson.

7. Jake Shields (26-5-1)
Jake Shields fell one round short of becoming UFC welterweight champion in April, his loss to Georges St. Pierre ending a six-and-a-half year unbeaten streak where Shields took serious scalps at 170 and 185 pounds. The Cesar Gracie product will have the chance to put another great welterweight on his docket later this year. When the UFC returns to Louisiana for "Battle on the Bayou," Shields will take main event duty against hot up-and-coming prospect Jake Ellenberger in a fight that could further solidify Shields' stature in one of the two divisions in which he's excelled.

8. Gilbert Melendez (19-2)
Gilbert Melendez has looked absolutely sensational in taking out high-level lightweights in recent memory, including the likes of Josh Thomson, Shinya Aoki, and most recently, Tatsuya Kawajiri. However, the real question for the Strikeforce lightweight champion is whether or not that pipeline of achieved, outstanding lightweights will continue as Zuffa's stewardship over Strikeforce continues. Next on deck for Melendez figures to be Jorge Masvidal, however, the landscape beyond "Gamebred" is uncertain.

9. Dominick Cruz (18-1)
At UFC 132 on July 2, Cruz erased the lone loss of his MMA career, earning a unanimous decision over former WEC featherweight champion Urijah Faber. The victory was Cruz's ninth straight, as "The Dominator" has now taken W's over Faber, his teammate Joseph Benavidez twice, former champion Brian Bowles and Scott Jorgensen. The victory solidifies Cruz as the top bantamweight in the sport and by a fair margin. Cruz's developing resume might have a chance to get even stronger and more diverse in the coming months, should he get a rubber match with Faber or a title defense against the surging Demetrious Johnson.

10. Mauricio “Shogun” Rua (19-5)
Returning from nearly a year-long layoff due to surgery on his seemingly ever-injured knee, Rua did not have much to offer young challenger Jon Jones in their March 19 title bout at UFC 128. The third-round stoppage was the first true knockout of the Brazilian’s career, and perhaps the first fight when Rua never looked competitive. The “Shogun” will have a chance to both reclaim his past glory and avenge a stinging loss when he rematches fellow ex-champ Forrest Griffin in Rio de Janeiro on Aug. 27.

GSP no1??? how on earth can anyone rank him no1? his record doesnt even compare to Anderson's in the slightest, anderson is 13-0 in the UFC and finished 11 of them, 9-0 in title fights(should be 10-0 if you include lutter), fought at 2 weight classes, has every record in the book, 90% of his fights are sensational to watch etc etc. theres nothing GSP has on anderson.

Fitch above Jones? Jones has mauled everyone he has fought, Fitch eeks out decisions fight after fight.

Shogun? i mean i love shogun but 1 good win over machida doesnt make you top 10 p4p, especially when your 1-2 in you last 3.

Edgar no4, but no Maynard? doesnt make any sense.

I havnt a clue how Sherdog comes up with there rankings, they are just silly.
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Old 07-09-2011, 11:02 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 07-09-2011, 11:04 AM   #3 (permalink)
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they state that GSP is up higher because of the bigger names of opponents he has faced.

if thats the case then Frankie needs to be above jose aldo. Bj penn is better than anyone jose has fought. Not to mention gray, jim miller, bocek, sherk.
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Old 07-09-2011, 11:26 AM   #4 (permalink)
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My P4p Rankings : just based on watching fighters skills

1.) Anderson silva (needs no explanation, no one's close)

2.) Jose aldo (best head movement in the game, hands down)

3.) Jon Jones (never been in a hint of trouble, best wrestlin in his division, best striking, champion at only 23 after only training mma 3 years.)

4.) GSP (doesn't finish fights drops him in my rankings, that shows lack of skill in bjj and striking as far as i'm concerned, but you can't deny his wrestling and how effecient he uses it to take the fight were he wants.)

5.) Nick Diaz ( best boxing, cardio, and bjj in his division IMO, he only has one hole, and that is his wrestling, but overall i consider him one of the p4p most skilled fighters.

6.) Frankie Edgar

7.) Junior Dos Santos

8.) Cain Velasquez

9.) BJ Penn

10.) Melvin Guillard (best striking in division, best take down defense/wrestling as well imo, i see him being the chuck liddel of his division for a while)
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My P4p Rankings : just based on watching fighters skills

1.) Anderson silva (needs no explanation, no one's close)

2.) Jose aldo (best head movement in the game, hands down)

3.) Jon Jones (never been in a hint of trouble, best wrestlin in his division, best striking, champion at only 23 after only training mma 3 years.)

4.) GSP (doesn't finish fights drops him in my rankings, that shows lack of skill in bjj and striking as far as i'm concerned, but you can't deny his wrestling and how effecient he uses it to take the fight were he wants.)

5.) Nick Diaz ( best boxing, cardio, and bjj in his division IMO, he only has one hole, and that is his wrestling, but overall i consider him one of the p4p most skilled fighters.

6.) Frankie Edgar

7.) Junior Dos Santos

8.) Cain Velasquez

9.) BJ Penn

10.) Melvin Guillard (best striking in division, best take down defense/wrestling as well imo, i see him being the chuck liddel of his division for a while)

I can see an argument for it. GSP hasn't had any real lackluster opponents, that alone should be taken in to consideration.

However, it's all lost on me after watching that Chael interview. That guy is amazing! Best personality in MMA by far! War Sonnen!

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I can see an argument for it. GSP hasn't had any real lackluster opponents, that alone should be taken in to consideration.

However, it's all lost on my after watching that Chael interview. That guy is amazing! Best personality in MMA by far! War Sonnen!
but he desides where the fights take place, no reason he shouldn't have overwelmed shields in the striking more, shields has the worst striking in the division, no reason he shouldn't have finished dan hardy 5 rounds on the ground, he has some of the worst Jitz in the division, that to me shows lack of skill...he's fighting guys at there weakest area for 5 rounds and still not finishing. you can fight the best guys, but if your fighting them were they are weakest, and just getting desision after desision that shows you have major holes in ur game outside of wrestling.

fighters like diaz, carlos condit(only ones i can think of at the moment) that fight to other fighters strenghths and not their weaknesses, and still beat peoples ass, to me, shows more to their overall skill as a complete mixed martial artist. and when i think of pound 4 pound, i consider a fighters overall skills when i'm thinking of the best fighters. (thats why i'm real excited to see diaz (and possible condit) fight gsp, becuase their wouldn't be a safe route out of those fights, you'd really get to see how good or not good gsp is in the area he desides to take those fights, he'll have to actaully fight where ever the fight goes, becuase diaz has a very active guard, and condit will be landing elbow after elbow from the bottom.)
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I really don't see why making a p4p list is ridiculous. Putting any stock into something Chael Sonnen says on the other hand.....

In general I don't like Sherdog's rankings though. I wouldn't have Shogun on the list, and I agree that Edgar/Maynard are virtually inseparable on a list like this. However, I agree the GSP is number 1. He has fewer weaknesses and has dominated the strongest division in MMA. I haven't really enjoyed watching his last few fights, but that doesn't count for anything.
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My rankings

1. GSP - only man to clear out his top ten. I know the argument is that he's boring and safe he's fighting in a stacked division and he's going to clear out the WW top ten, no one has done it before and no one will do it again.

2. Anderson Silva - great finishes to dubious challengers. Maia and Marquardt were to soon, Belfort was to late, Sonnen was wrecking him and he hasn't fought Okami and you have five top ten guys in MW he needs to face.

3. Jon Jones - complete domination, has yet to have a bad minute in a fight. Before Jones' won the title 205 was the top division in MMA, now we're scrambling to find a challenger and coming up short.

4. Jose Aldo - falls a little bit after finishing his last fight on his back and being saved by the clock, he was very lucky a piss poor official didn't call the fight.

5. Dominic Cruz - I don't like the guy's future prospects but he has handled the top guys in the division and done so in a dominant fashion.

6. Frankie Edgar - falls from fourth to sixth with his draw and dominant performances from Jones/Aldo/Cruz the issue remains, hold long is Frankie going to hold the belt.

7. Jon Fitch - the toughest number two guy in the world, needs to get better fights but he stands on the shoulders of a number of top MMA guys. The only wish I have is that we could see him face those.

8. Gilbert Melendez - has become in my eyes the best fighter out of the UFC, not only that but with his next fight against Masvidal a convincing win and Edgar loss would make him the number 1 LW in the world.

9. Junior Dos Santos - The UFC's best kept secret JDS has quickly and quietly put together the most impressive resume in the HW division and is going into his title fight as a favorite.

10. Gray Maynard - still undefeated still fighting at the highest level this three way tug of war between Melendez/Edgar/Maynard is the most compelling race in MMA at the moment.

The rest of my rankings would go

(11. B.J. Penn, 12. Jake Shields, 13. Rashad Evans, 14. Cain Velasquez, 15. Nick Diaz, 16. Jim Miller, 17. Carlos Condit, 18. Rampage Jackson, 19. Yushin Okami, 20, Joseph Benavidez, 21. Lyoto Machida, 22. Chad Mendes, 23. Shogun Rua, 24. Hector Lombard 25. Dustin Poirer)
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