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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 07-10-2011, 11:37 PM Thread Starter
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Munoz: "Wrestling is the great Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu neutraliser"



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My work blocks youtube so I can't watch the video. Based on the title of the thread I would have to agree. Although there are some guys like Olivera and Pettis who have a new aggressive style of bottom game that will give even the best wrestler a run for their money. I think that will be the BJJ style of the future and may eventually even catch up to wrestling.

Look at how GSP didn't want to really wrestle with Shields. I think it was safe to say BJJ neutralized wrestling in that fight.

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Chael Sonnen's existence disproves this.

If you don't know BJJ then wrestling isn't going to prevent you from getting submitted. So it is completely false to claim that wrestling neutralizes BJJ. Wrestling+BJJ can dominate just BJJ or just wrestling in the same way kicking+punching can dominate either just kicking or just punching. BJJ is superior to wrestling if you actually only know one of them because it finishes fights.
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I remember saying this and had to deflect the flames, lol.

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I some what agree. Case in point Matt Hughes. However you need to have good submition defense as well. In all reality like everything in mma the hybrid style works best.

I think if your ground work training would be like 65% wrestling 35% BJJ that would be great. Bjj would give you good sub defense and need to master some basic subs and how to get off your back and contain an opponet ontop. However wrestling would allow you to do some great takedowns TDD and how to put pressure and man handle a guy on the ground.

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Hafta disagree a little here. BJJ and wrestling have sort of molded together into something new "MMA Grappling" or just "Grappling" is what I refer to it as. The thing is, wrestlers are usually skilled in takedowns, which leads to lots of top positions. From the top one can either work to improve position, work the ground and pound, or just sit in the guard and defend until the fight is over and win. If you don't know how to defend BJJ techniques it isn't worth much, though. It sort of neutralizes it, but only when combined with a good top BJJ game.




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My work blocks youtube so I can't watch the video. Based on the title of the thread I would have to agree. Although there are some guys like Olivera and Pettis who have a new aggressive style of bottom game that will give even the best wrestler a run for their money. I think that will be the BJJ style of the future and may eventually even catch up to wrestling.

Look at how GSP didn't want to really wrestle with Shields. I think it was safe to say BJJ neutralized wrestling in that fight.
I'd add in Soti with his rubber guard as well. Oliviera is SICK...with his chain combos. He doesn't wait...he goes right into as soon as it hits the ground which makes him pretty deadly.

Pettis vs Guida showed that Pettis is indeed a top five'er. Guida didn't win it decisively in my opinion. Simply utilized his strength to control the position...man that's annoying.

Come to think of it, at least Brock (wrestler) does finish although his striking is atrocious and the same with JBJ which much more proficient striking.

Boo to Yawn Fitch, Lay Praynard, Guido, and anybody else who approaches the game as they do.

*GSP* Still puts on exciting fights even though he doesn't finish...simply because of the wide of array of techniques he uses. Even he should opt to finish in order to seal his legacy.
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The comment would be a lot more interesting if it didn't come from a wrestler, lol. Like maybe if a BJJ guy said that I'd be paying attention, but of course he feels wrestling is the best... it's what he does.

Plus, this goes back to the BJJ vs. wrestling discussion we were having a few weeks ago. Wrestling = grappling, BJJ = grappling.
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Look at how GSP didn't want to really wrestle with Shields. I think it was safe to say BJJ neutralized wrestling in that fight.
I don't think GSP didn't want to wrestle... but rather, he wanted to strike with Shields. GSP takes people where they don't want to go.
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I don't think GSP didn't want to wrestle... but rather, he wanted to strike with Shields. GSP takes people where they don't want to go.
That makes him sound like a rapist, lol.
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