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post #11 of 22 (permalink) Old 07-12-2011, 03:32 PM
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didn't John McCarthy have an idea like this over a year ago?

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There are a few things I think we could do to improve the current system without altering it.

Step 1 - Clone Herb Dean about 15 times. Herb Dean refs every fight, and possibly big John from time to time

Step two - get dan mirgliotta, ives lavgine, yamasaki, Cecil peoples and most of the other judges and put them on a boat.

Step C - Torpedo and napalm the boat.

Step IV - Someone pimp slap the shot out of bisping

lol but seriously, it's babysteps to improve a very flawed system.

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Originally Posted by hellholming View Post
didn't John McCarthy have an idea like this over a year ago?
The article said he was on the committee that created this idea.
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post #14 of 22 (permalink) Old 07-12-2011, 04:25 PM
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Here's a simple solution: if a judge thinks a fighter won a round that was very close and debatable, give him a point. If a judge thinks a fighter clearly won a round, give him two points. If a judge thinks a fighter absolutely shit on his opponent (i.e. knocked him down, almost finished him, landed 100 strikes on him, cut him up and made him bleed), then give him three points.

It's that simple. Now, most scorecards will read something like 3-0 or 4-1 or whatever which is much easier to comprehend and follow than random scores like 29-28 which makes no sense whatsoever.
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post #15 of 22 (permalink) Old 07-12-2011, 08:13 PM
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I've never understood this system when it's been brought up. Just use the 10 points you already have.
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Originally Posted by leifdawg View Post
I've never understood this system when it's been brought up. Just use the 10 points you already have.
I know, it's preposterous. I think it would behoove everyone if they would start judging on a 5 point basis in MMA. There is NO point to the first 8 points the way we have it now.

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post #17 of 22 (permalink) Old 07-12-2011, 09:59 PM
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Or they could just use the god damn scoring system they have. THEY HAVE 10 POINTS, WHY DO THEY NEED 20!?

10-9: Competitive but fighter A won (close round going to the fighter)

10-8: Fighter A very obviously won but by less than a crazy amount of punches, no near finishes (rocking or nearly sinking a submission)

10-7: Fighter A beat the crap out of fighter B but the fight was not stopped (Fighter B was dropped, nearly submitted or saved by the bell in either situation)

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The reason they have the ten point must system is likely because the commissions suddenly needed licensed judges immediately upon the passage of MMA regulation. So using the judges and system they had in place for boxing actually made some sense, at least from a necessity standpoint, if not actual wisdom.

But there's no where near the judging crossover now that there was a decade ago. I'd think you could introduce a new judging system without confusing anyone.

Personally, though using half points is stupid, I still like this better than the current system. In the current system, even though 10-10 and 10-7 rounds are expressly allowed, the commissions teach the judges that they're being paid to determine who won a round and that if a round should be scored 10-7, that means the referee should go to jail for allowing the fight to continue.

So if the commissions implement the half point system and actually let the judges use it, it would at least be better than it is now.

Although I should say that I think that some of the scoring criteria for this system is terrible. Marks on someone's face ≠ damage. People mark up at different rates, it doesn't mean they're taking more or less damage. Case in point, in the ring against Fitch, BJ's face looked pretty good in the third round, physically at least, not the expression. At the post fight presser, he was hiding his swollen eyes behind sunglasses. Fitch should get the same amount of credit for pounding BJ silly as he would for landing the same strikes on Nick Diaz who used to cut like a ripe tomato before he got his scar tissue/eyebrow surgery.

By the way, the chief architect of this system is Doc Hamilton. I realize it was only one fight, but he gave Garcia the nod over the Korean Zombie. I just thought it was worth a mention. Even though I like his intentions of more varied round scores, adding damage as a scoring criteria, and having a technical judge eliminate ties, I don't think it's a panacea.

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post #19 of 22 (permalink) Old 07-13-2011, 12:35 AM
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I like the sound of this system. They should use it imo.
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post #20 of 22 (permalink) Old 07-14-2011, 09:23 AM
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I'm a judge in Florida. My opinion the half point system is better. It's another tool in scoring close fights. Also helps eliminate draws.
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