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post #11 of 41 (permalink) Old 07-18-2011, 02:21 PM
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to be fair its not like its machidas job to step up on short notice.


if ufc wanted it that bad, he wanted to get paid. unfortunately for him, UFC gave two shits and he probably just ended up on their shit list lol
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The thing is, I don't think Machida particularly wanted the fight. I'm sure he figured if he got a big ass payday he'd do it, but otherwise he's cool chilling in Brazil drinking his pee-tinis on the beach.
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I can see why Machida didn't take the fight. It was short notice, little payoff if he won. If he lost he could've rationally been close to being cut by the UFC. But to say you would take the fight then ask for more money, that's a schmuck move! I've never been a Machida fan though, lets hope he gets Shogun 3 next!
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Machida only comes off as a schmuck if you ignore all the reasons he had to not take that fight under the terms Dana was offering. As dude said a few posts back, both are acting in their own best interests so I don't see why there's any drama.

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They both did what they thought was right. Neither of them are schmucks in this scenario. Anyone who believes there is a schmuck, still lives in a fairy land where things such as "Buisness Decisions" dont exist. Sometimes its not just black/white.

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They both did what they thought was right. Neither of them are schmucks in this scenario. Anyone who believes there is a schmuck, still lives in a fairy land where things such as "Buisness Decisions" dont exist. Sometimes its not just black/white.
Not exactly sure of all the details here. Did Lyoto actually agree to take the fight, then call back to request more money?

If so, I can see why Dana would be less than happy.

However, there is still such a thing as taking the high road.
What possible good can come out of publicly vilifying one of your organization's top fighters?

Zip.

Lyoto's rep' takes a hit; Dana ends up looking like a cry-baby...again; the UFC ends up looking bush-league.

Everyone loses.

*Edited to add: How can I have a "little shameless behaviour in my past"? This is my first post...

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Not exactly sure of all the details here. Did Lyoto actually agree to take the fight, then call back to request more money?

If so, I can see why Dana would be less than happy.

However, there is still such a thing as taking the high road.
What possible good can come out of publicly vilifying one of your organization's top fighters?

Zip.

Lyoto's rep' takes a hit; Dana ends up looking like a cry-baby...again; the UFC ends up looking bush-league.

Everyone loses.

*Edited to add: How can I have a "little shameless behaviour in my past"? This is my first post...
Not sure.. possibly. I think that he was asking Dana White for a fight and then when one was available it was a short notice fight with Rashad Evans. So Machida told him "I want Anderson Silva type money" and Dana white told him "Accomplish what Anderson Silva has accomplished". But even if Machida DID accept the fight and then call back and ask for more money, i dont blame him. Your boss calls you, you might not think clearly for the time being and say yes even though the smarter thing is to say no. Only way Machida would be the Schmuck is if Machida says "Yes i want the fight, they sit down to sign the contract, Machida puts his pen down and says GIVE ME MORE MONEY" Then Machida would be a jerk... but the way things worked out, neither are in the wrong.

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I wouldn't say Machida had nothing to gain from this, the fight was a number one contender spot basically...if Machida beat Rashad he'd be garaunteed a title shot. At the same time Rashad hasn't fought in over a year too...I don't know how much Machida gets paid, but didn't Tito just get paid 250k for his fight against Bader? Silva makes around 200k per fight, really doesn't make much sense to me right now lol
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I wouldn't say Machida had nothing to gain from this, the fight was a number one contender spot basically...if Machida beat Rashad he'd be garaunteed a title shot. At the same time Rashad hasn't fought in over a year too...I don't know how much Machida gets paid, but didn't Tito just get paid 250k for his fight against Bader? Silva makes around 200k per fight, really doesn't make much sense to me right now lol
Tito got paid around 450k for his fight with Bader. Anderson Silva takes in a % of the PPV revenue.

Machida wins he is possibly 1 or 2 fights away from a title shot. Machida loses?? In his last 4 fights he loses 3 and has 1 win over a 48 year old man. It was a career risk he didnt want to take on short notice. Oh and lets not forget, he loses to Rashad Evans then people will believe Lyoto Machida has lost "it".

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Not sure.. possibly. I think that he was asking Dana White for a fight and then when one was available it was a short notice fight with Rashad Evans. So Machida told him "I want Anderson Silva type money" and Dana white told him "Accomplish what Anderson Silva has accomplished". But even if Machida DID accept the fight and then call back and ask for more money, i dont blame him. Your boss calls you, you might not think clearly for the time being and say yes even though the smarter thing is to say no. Only way Machida would be the Schmuck is if Machida says "Yes i want the fight, they sit down to sign the contract, Machida puts his pen down and says GIVE ME MORE MONEY" Then Machida would be a jerk... but the way things worked out, neither are in the wrong.
In terms of Machida being a douche for asking for more money, and Dana being one for saying no, you're right: I don't care. That's business.

But in terms of how it was handled by Dana after the fact, I.E. using the media to vent his personal frustration, then I'd have to say that Dana was, if not a douche, at least suspect in his decision-making.

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