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Old 02-22-2007, 03:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Is MMA styles of fighting fully evolved?

When it first started, it was grappler(mainly 1 grappler) vs strikers. Then strikers started to learn to grapple, and vice versa. Lately, all the champs are starting to be strikers with very good defense on the ground or against takedowns.

Very few can say they are fully well rounded, Fedor being the ultimate fighter right now. But as fighters tend to go more and more towards being as good standing-up as they are on the ground, is there going to be new styles of fighting or is this the end of mma evolution?

What im getting it is that if mma is indeed completly mixed martial arts, are we going to eventually get only 1 kind of fighter, or is there going to be still some major differences between fighting style in mma?
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Old 02-22-2007, 03:51 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Good thread, I believe that as the sport grows more and more, we are obviously gonna have more versatile fighters entering the game.

Fighters are still going to have there favourite styles, but in several years time its not going to be as predictable to what the fighters will bring to the table.
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Old 02-22-2007, 04:03 PM   #3 (permalink)
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When it first started, it was grappler(mainly 1 grappler) vs strikers. Then strikers started to learn to grapple, and vice versa. Lately, all the champs are starting to be strikers with very good defense on the ground or against takedowns.

Very few can say they are fully well rounded, Fedor being the ultimate fighter right now. But as fighters tend to go more and more towards being as good standing-up as they are on the ground, is there going to be new styles of fighting or is this the end of mma evolution?

What im getting it is that if mma is indeed completly mixed martial arts, are we going to eventually get only 1 kind of fighter, or is there going to be still some major differences between fighting style in mma?


With so many different styles out there I doubt that fighters will all be the same. True, there are a lot of strikers that are purely focusing on takedown defense but on the other side I'm not seeing a lot of BJJ and judo people changing their behavior to deal with this problem. A lot of ground guys (other than a few ex-wrestlers) aren't picking up their game when it comes to fighting stand up people. (there are some but few).

The ruling class of fighters that hold belts right now are people that would much rather keep the fight standing and defend the take down. This holds true for many of the contenders that are coming up. Even ones that have a ground game that is equal to the stand up are using the stand up 75% of the time.


The other thing I see is that a lot of people will only go to the ground after clinching only to either use G&P or just hold them (they'd probably do more if they new more) and wait for the ref to stand them back up.

I want to see more BJJ and judo guys actually using their skills in those areas. I mean look at Karo's last fight. What a let down seeing him fight on his feet which is more of a C+ B- skill for him. Lets go ground guys! Pick up the pace!
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I believe, as in all other sorts, MMA has much more to evolve. From the promotion of the UFC to the fighters, more money will bring better fighters and better fighters will cause evolution of skill. There are so many young competitors as well... these guys will definately make a much more evovled mma.
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I believe, as in all other sorts, MMA has much more to evolve. From the promotion of the UFC to the fighters, more money will bring better fighters and better fighters will cause evolution of skill. There are so many young competitors as well... these guys will definately make a much more evovled mma.
I like the reference to other sports. We can compare this to American Football. Football started out as soley a ground game. There was no passing at all. Then one guy had the idea of throwing the ball in the air and it changed the game forever.

Now all of the teams have the same player positions(skills-IE. standup, wrestling, BJJ) but not all of them have the same levels. You will have a string of teams that win the Super Bowl with defense, then you'll have a string that win with passing, then you'll have a few that win with the ground game.

Basicly what I'm saying is that no matter what you have winning at the time there are people working on a game plan that will win over the reigning skill set. The sport will always change and evolve.
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Thats why I never said that mma could fully evolve
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Old 02-22-2007, 04:59 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I think GSP is the type of fighter that we will start seeing more and more in the future. What I mean is, fighters who have a) good standup skills b) good bjj c) good wrestling. Most MMA schools/gyms are evolving into this style and starting to teach all 3, instead of just focusing on one. People are always going to have their preferences and be better at certain aspects than others, but I definitely think MMA fighters will just start becoming more well rounded then it wil be whos the BEST well rounded fighter, rather than the BEST striker or the BEST grappler, etc
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MMA is not done evolving because, as has been said elsewhere on this forum, there are still effective styles that have not been fully incorporated into MMA. For example, Sambo. Fedor and Aleks use it, along with some others. But it has not made a big venture outside of Russia. Sambo is an effective style (if Fedor uses it you know its good) but not alot of fighters have trained in it. MMA will continue to evolve as more fighting styles make it into the mainstream. Right now, fighters train Muay Thai, BJJ, Wrestling, Boxing, etc. When other styles are brought into their routines, MMA will evolve even more.
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I agree with you wukkadb... GSP is a perfect examplke of the evolution of mma
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I like the reference to other sports. We can compare this to American Football. Football started out as soley a ground game. There was no passing at all. Then one guy had the idea of throwing the ball in the air and it changed the game forever.

Now all of the teams have the same player positions(skills-IE. standup, wrestling, BJJ) but not all of them have the same levels. You will have a string of teams that win the Super Bowl with defense, then you'll have a string that win with passing, then you'll have a few that win with the ground game.

Basicly what I'm saying is that no matter what you have winning at the time there are people working on a game plan that will win over the reigning skill set. The sport will always change and evolve.
Very well said, I agree completly with you.
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