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Old 08-01-2011, 04:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The Middleweight Division...

I see some exciting fights coming out of these two in particular...

Munoz vs Leben

Sonnen vs Stann

If Munoz wins I see him getting a title shot. If he loses either one, Sonnen or Stann, both seem like interesting opponents. If Leben wins, a fight with the winner of the latter seems like a win over Sonnen would warrant a tittle shot given his recent wins would be over Wande and Munoz although a rematch with Stann doesn't seem like a good idea for the fans right now.

As a fan I'd love to see a Leban, Sonnen fight or Munoz, Silva fight. What are your thought?

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Old 08-01-2011, 04:58 PM   #2 (permalink)
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All i want to see is sonnen vs Silva 2. I don`t think silva/ munoz will fight each other. Giving that both guys are from the same team. Aside from that I don't think stann,leben or munoz posses any threat to silva. Leben got wreck already by silva, and Stann's style is just going to get him ko by silva.
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I think Sonnen/Stann winner gets in ahead of Munoz/Leben winner, if for no other reason than marketability. Munoz/Leben winner could get Bisping/Miller winner in a number one contender's bout.

I think if Silva were able to avenge his loss to Okami and then beat Sonnen more decisively it would be the perfect swan song to the masterpiece that has been Anderson Silva's career. I doubt Silva is as close to retirement though...
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All i want to see is sonnen vs Silva 2. I don`t think silva/ munoz will fight each other. Giving that both guys are from the same team. Aside from that I don't think stann,leben or munoz posses any threat to silva. Leben got wreck already by silva, and Stann's style is just going to get him ko by silva.
2 Questions then... When exactly does Munoz expect to fight for a belt then? It could be a long time. Why do you think a win over Brian Stann warrants an rematch with Silva. I think it warrents a Bisbing or Leben fight but not a title rematch.

My comment: I don't think it's about who might beat Silva in our heads it's about who deserves the next shot. I think Leben could eventually earn a shot because he was the first to fight Silva in a non title fight and its not like he got wrecked that much worse than Franklin got the chance to have done to him twice.
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Anderson Silva(1) vs Yushin Okami(2) for the title

Chael Sonnen(3) vs Brian Stann(4) for the next shot

What I feel makes this division so special is the 5th to 14th ranked fighters are basically set up to face each other in title eliminators.


Mark Munoz(5) vs Chris Leben (10)
Michael Bisping(6) vs Jason Miller (11)
Demian Maia(7) vs Jorge Santiago (12)
Vitor Belfort(8) vs Yoshiro Akiyama (13)
Rousimar Palhares(9) vs Dan Miller (14)

When the dust clears either Bisping or Munoz will be selected to fight the champion or they will fight each for the title shot or both will happen and the four winners will face off. So lets say Bisping wins his fight and then Munoz faces Belfort and Maia faces Palhares and the winner of both fights fights for the number one contender shot.

But what really impresses me and what I have to take my hat off to is the third tier of MW's. The guys who for some reason aren't ranked, either because of

injury/Weight Cut (Belcher, Lawlor) Weight cut (Boetsch, Hallman)
loses (Dollaway, Yang, Rivera)
prospects area (Weidman, McGee, Ring, Noke, Catone, Tavares).
Veterns (Macdonald, Simpson, Sakara, Herman, Creduer)

Alan Belchervs vs Jason Macdonald - a guy coming off injury facing a seasoned vetern.

Chris Weidman vs Tom Lawlor - a hot prospect facing a vet sitting right outside of the rankings.

Jorge Rivera vs Alessio Sakara - two vet's one coming off a controversial co main event the other fighting for his job.

Court McGee vs Dongi Yang - a guy on a hot streak facing a top prospect.

Nick Ring vs Tim Boetsch - another guy on a hot streak facing a reinvigorated LHW who dropped down and looked very impressive.

Kyle Noke vs Ed Herman - a man on a comeback facing another guy on a long win streak

Nick Catone vs Aaron Simpson - two guys with identical records one a prospect the other a vet.

CB Dollaway vs Jared Hamman - two huge guys one a newcomer to the division the other an up and comer.

Tim Creduer vs Brad Tavares - one prospect fighting for his spot in the UFC the other a vet hoping to prove he has a chin.

Nick Ring - 12 fight win streak
Court McGee - 7 fight win streak
Chris Weidman - 6 fight win streak
Kyle Noke - 5 fight win streak

I mean I am seriously impressed with how spread out yet logical this prelim area of fighters are. You can really see four or five of these guys moving up in the rankings with one or two wins and then into title contention with three or four. I don't think any other division in the UFC is run with as much logic and is well set up from the title fights to the ranked contenders to the prelim fighters at the moment. And I can't find one of those fights where you can say oh there's a ridiculous mismatch or an easy call.

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2 Questions then... When exactly does Munoz expect to fight for a belt then? It could be a long time. Why do you think a win over Brian Stann warrants an rematch with Silva. I think it warrents a Bisbing or Leben fight but not a title rematch.
Stann/Sonnen is a title eliminator fight, pretty much the only one. After that Munoz and Bisping are in the running for the next shot, they may not have to face each other, maybe one of the top four, maybe if Maia or Paul Harris wins their next fight.
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2 Questions then... When exactly does Munoz expect to fight for a belt then? It could be a long time. Why do you think a win over Brian Stann warrants an rematch with Silva. I think it warrents a Bisbing or Leben fight but not a title rematch.

My comment: I don't think it's about who might beat Silva in our heads it's about who deserves the next shot. I think Leben could eventually earn a shot because he was the first to fight Silva in a non title fight and its not like he got wrecked that much worse than Franklin got the chance to have done to him twice.
He does not, something has to give, if silva beats okami and then sonnen again the ufc has to step in. He literally clear out the middle division twice. They gotta remove him from Middle weight and give him super fights. IMO leben did get wreck as bad as rich. He did not touch silva and silva was hitting him with everything. That was just a plain ass whooping and the ufc would be wasting time and everybody money to put leben in there against silva.
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I think the winner of Sonnen/Stann gets the next shot. Also I could see the winner of Bisping/Miller getting the shot after that.
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IMHO I think Sonnen need another W under his belt besides Stann. If Stann beats Sonnen though he clearly deserves a shot. I think Sonnen Leben would be a good fight.

Leben by way of triangle choke 3rd round
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Anderson Silva(1) vs Yushin Okami(2) for the title

Chael Sonnen(3) vs Brian Stann(4) for the next shot

What I feel makes this division so special is the 5th to 14th ranked fighters are basically set up to face each other in title eliminators.


Mark Munoz(5) vs Chris Leben (10)
Michael Bisping(6) vs Jason Miller (11)
Demian Maia(7) vs Jorge Santiago (12)
Vitor Belfort(8) vs Yoshiro Akiyama (13)
Rousimar Palhares(9) vs Dan Miller (14)

When the dust clears either Bisping or Munoz will be selected to fight the champion or they will fight each for the title shot or both will happen and the four winners will face off. So lets say Bisping wins his fight and then Munoz faces Belfort and Maia faces Palhares and the winner of both fights fights for the number one contender shot.

But what really impresses me and what I have to take my hat off to is the third tier of MW's. The guys who for some reason aren't ranked, either because of

injury/Weight Cut (Belcher, Lawlor) Weight cut (Boetsch, Hallman)
loses (Dollaway, Yang, Rivera)
prospects area (Weidman, McGee, Ring, Noke, Catone, Tavares).
Veterns (Macdonald, Simpson, Sakara, Herman, Creduer)

Alan Belchervs vs Jason Macdonald - a guy coming off injury facing a seasoned vetern.

Chris Weidman vs Tom Lawlor - a hot prospect facing a vet sitting right outside of the rankings.

Jorge Rivera vs Alessio Sakara - two vet's one coming off a controversial co main event the other fighting for his job.

Court McGee vs Dongi Yang - a guy on a hot streak facing a top prospect.

Nick Ring vs Tim Boetsch - another guy on a hot streak facing a reinvigorated LHW who dropped down and looked very impressive.

Kyle Noke vs Ed Herman - a man on a comeback facing another guy on a long win streak

Nick Catone vs Aaron Simpson - two guys with identical records one a prospect the other a vet.

CB Dollaway vs Jared Hamman - two huge guys one a newcomer to the division the other an up and comer.

Tim Creduer vs Brad Tavares - one prospect fighting for his spot in the UFC the other a vet hoping to prove he has a chin.

Nick Ring - 12 fight win streak
Court McGee - 7 fight win streak
Chris Weidman - 6 fight win streak
Kyle Noke - 5 fight win streak

I mean I am seriously impressed with how spread out yet logical this prelim area of fighters are. You can really see four or five of these guys moving up in the rankings with one or two wins and then into title contention with three or four. I don't think any other division in the UFC is run with as much logic and is well set up from the title fights to the ranked contenders to the prelim fighters at the moment. And I can't find one of those fights where you can say oh there's a ridiculous mismatch or an easy call.



Stann/Sonnen is a title eliminator fight, pretty much the only one. After that Munoz and Bisping are in the running for the next shot, they may not have to face each other, maybe one of the top four, maybe if Maia or Paul Harris wins their next fight.
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Edit*Sorry looks like I've repped you recently...
That's weird but according to my records you've never repped me.

Unless you have a different account.... you should try it again.

Frankly with the MW division you could run off a list of a dozen guys who can come into the UFC and get a title shot right off the bat. So while Munoz and Bisping aren't really sexy choices for title fights we've got a pretty nice parachute around the MMA world.
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