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Old 08-02-2011, 10:53 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Only way Okami loses is if he comes in shell-shocked or intimidated. If he comes in with Sonnen's mentality of fighting like he killed your dog then Silva is going lose his belt.


Take advantage other people who think otherwise xD

I'll probably bet huge on okami.
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Old 08-02-2011, 10:54 PM   #12 (permalink)
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There is no wonder Okami has been working on his wrestling so intensely for quite some time now. Anderson is the far superior fighter, but with the right game plan, Okami could get the job done.
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I actually think Okami is going to UD Silva. Silva has been - to an extent - exposed.

I like Silva. He has some great highlights and his striking in on another level. It seems as though good wrestling with good sub defense is the key to beating him. You better believe Okami knows that and has the tools to win. As Khov mentioned, the only way I see Okami losing is if he goes in there and is scared. If Okami is hesitant Silva will pick him apart and KO him in 1.
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Sorry...I can't handle foolishness.

At any rate, no....he wasn't "exposed". The notion that Chael Sonnen revealed some titanic weakness in Silva that everyone will follow for the rest of time is absurd. Everyone that knew anything about MMA knew that Anderson had sub-par wrestling. The fact is, he's managed to win in spite of it.

Is GSP "exposed" because he has a questionable chin, therefore any striker will beat him?

Was Fedor "exposed", many moons ago when it was revealed a good submission grappler could really positionally dominate him? No. That's just foolish talk.
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There is no wonder Okami has been working on his wrestling so intensely for quite some time now. Anderson is the far superior fighter, but with the right game plan, Okami could get the job done.
Exactly. And you better bet the odds makers are going in favor HUGE for Silva.

I'll be placing a small bet of real money on Okami. I could never bet large against Silva. That in itself just isn't smart. I even picked Silva to beat Sonnen, and I'm a bigger Sonnen fan than Silva fan.
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Sorry...I can't handle foolishness.

At any rate, no....he wasn't "exposed". The notion that Chael Sonnen revealed some titanic weakness in Silva that everyone will follow for the rest of time is absurd. Everyone that knew anything about MMA knew that Anderson had sub-par wrestling. The fact is, he's managed to win in spite of it.

Is GSP "exposed" because he has a questionable chin, therefore any striker will beat him?

Was Fedor "exposed", many moons ago when it was revealed a good submission grappler could really positionally dominate him? No. That's just foolish talk.
Yes, everyone did know that he had sub par wrestling. But no one really capitalized on it the way Sonnen did. Sonnen laid the blue print down to beat Silva. That is to an extent exposing how to beat him. Sonnen isn't know for his sub defense and managed to go 4 rounds without being subbed. A good grappler with good sub defense should beat Silva. Anyone who tries to stand with him in MMA will likely get KO'd.

GSP and Fedor are not adequate comparisons. Because their "weaknesses" you list were not repeat offenses. They were one time. Anything can happen in MMA one time. Silva was taken down by a fat Lutter, Hendo, and at will by Sonnen.

I am all up for a debate sir, but please don't call me foolish. I think I am very rational.
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Old 08-02-2011, 11:23 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Yes, everyone did know that he had sub par wrestling. But no one really capitalized on it the way Sonnen did. Sonnen laid the blue print down to beat Silva. That is to an extent exposing how to beat him. Sonnen isn't know for his sub defense and managed to go 4 rounds without being subbed. A good grappler with good sub defense should beat Silva. Anyone who tries to stand with him in MMA will likely get KO'd.

GSP and Fedor are not adequate comparisons. Because their "weaknesses" you list were not repeat offenses. They were one time. Anything can happen in MMA one time. Silva was taken down by a fat Lutter, Hendo, and at will by Sonnen.

I am all up for a debate sir, but please don't call me foolish. I think I am very rational.
All good points PGI, one of the excellent posters around here, always very rational.

The risk to Okami is though the same as it was with Henderson and even Lutter. The former, he won because period of the fight are always going to be on the feet and Anderson is very dangerous there, and he definately has a chance to submit Okami given he could submit a black belt in Lutter.

On the other hand, if Okami can take the shots as Sonnen did (and Sonnen was hit pretty hard at times on the feet even in the short periods it was there), take this to the ground and use good top control to avoid submissions, then he can win. On the other hand, Silva will have his moments and I'm sure a few of them. No doubt wrestling is Silvas archilles heel though and Okami can definately pull this out of the bag with as I said earlier, the right game plan, and a little bit of luck in those trying moments.
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Yes, everyone did know that he had sub par wrestling. But no one really capitalized on it the way Sonnen did. Sonnen laid the blue print down to beat Silva. That is to an extent exposing how to beat him. Sonnen isn't know for his sub defense and managed to go 4 rounds without being subbed. A good grappler with good sub defense should beat Silva. Anyone who tries to stand with him in MMA will likely get KO'd.

GSP and Fedor are not adequate comparisons. Because their "weaknesses" you list were not repeat offenses. They were one time. Anything can happen in MMA one time. Silva was taken down by a fat Lutter, Hendo, and at will by Sonnen.

I am all up for a debate sir, but please don't call me foolish. I think I am very rational.
Because no one really had the wrestling ability of Sonnen? How does that lay a blue print for anything? Most fighters aren't deluded enough to think they are on the level of two olympic quality wrestlers...hence taking down Silva isn't exactly as easy as launching your body at him. Seriously, you act as if everyone that's ever fought Anderson is like "Oh! So that's what I should've done! Stupid me! I should've just taken him down any time I wanted to!". That's nonsensical.


And no, Fedor was both outgrappled by Arona and then Bigfoot both high level BJJ guys...so it was a repeat offense.
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I will be rooting for silva all the way. But something deep inside tell me okami might shock the world. Remember this is mma and anything can happen. SIlva has been so good for so long and nothing good lasts forever. I hope silva kills okami but i an not writing off an okami win.
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