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Old 08-02-2011, 11:40 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Because no one really had the wrestling ability of Sonnen? How does that lay a blue print for anything? Most fighters aren't deluded enough to think they are on the level of two olympic quality wrestlers...hence taking down Silva isn't exactly as easy as launching your body at him. Seriously, you act as if everyone that's ever fought Anderson is like "Oh! So that's what I should've done! Stupid me! I should've just taken him down any time I wanted to!". That's nonsensical.


And no, Fedor was both outgrappled by Arona and then Bigfoot both high level BJJ guys...so it was a repeat offense.
To the bold: Yes. His name is Dan Henderson. He was doing really well wrestling Silva until he decided to stand. I have no doubt he regrets not sticking to wrestling.

Okami is not an Olympic wrestler, but neither was Lutter who managed to get him down (twice I think?).

Surely not everyone can take Silva down at will. It will take good wrestling and I believe Okami has that. Everyone knows MMA is flooded with wrestlers right now. I do believe that Sonnen showed the way for some good wrestlers / grapplers to beat Silva... who was seen as practically invincible before the Sonnen fight.

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All good points PGI, one of the excellent posters around here, always very rational.

The risk to Okami is though the same as it was with Henderson and even Lutter. The former, he won because period of the fight are always going to be on the feet and Anderson is very dangerous there, and he definately has a chance to submit Okami given he could submit a black belt in Lutter.

On the other hand, if Okami can take the shots as Sonnen did (and Sonnen was hit pretty hard at times on the feet even in the short periods it was there), take this to the ground and use good top control to avoid submissions, then he can win. On the other hand, Silva will have his moments and I'm sure a few of them. No doubt wrestling is Silvas archilles heel though and Okami can definately pull this out of the bag with as I said earlier, the right game plan, and a little bit of luck in those trying moments.

100% correct. We won't know how Okami handles Silva shots. Chances are in 25 minutes Silva will be able to land some strikes and Silva has insane power and accuracy. People can say what they want about Chael, but he's tough as nails. It will be very interesting to see if Okami can take it like Chael did.
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Old 08-02-2011, 11:47 PM   #22 (permalink)
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To the bold: Yes. His name is Dan Henderson. He was doing really well wrestling Silva until he decided to stand. I have no doubt he regrets not sticking to wrestling.

Okami is not an Olympic wrestler, but neither was Lutter who managed to get him down (twice I think?).

Surely not everyone can take Silva down at will. It will take good wrestling and I believe Okami has that. Everyone knows MMA is flooded with wrestlers right now. I do believe that Sonnen showed the way for some good wrestlers / grapplers to beat Silva... who was seen as practically invincible before the Sonnen fight.
This is extremely inaccurate. He failed both of his takedowns in that round....not only that, he made almost no effort to stand and trade. Seconds after failing a clinch takedown, he got caught with some punches and even pulled guard to avoid the stand up. But then he got choked.

Once. Anderson also had no knees going into that fight so take it with a grain..

Not at all again. This was Anderson's known weakness for the last several years. It was in Leben's gameplan(he got knocked out though in the first exchange)...Rich tried it(Anderson scrambled right back up and stuff the rest)....Nate tried it(Big John with a bit of a B.S standup, then the wrestling switch on the failed takedown then the KO)...Maia and Leites tried it(failed) and Hendo tried it(got outgrappled)....Sonnen didn't do anything any different then the tons of other opponents he's fought. Hell, even guys back in the day like Carlos Newton and Ryo Chonan employed takedown heavy gameplans... The only difference is Sonnen is one of the best wrestlers to ever step into the cage, so he was able to take Silva down easily (LIKE HES TAKEN DOWN EVERYONE ELSE VERY EASILY). And he still got submitted.

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All i know if silva pulls another vitor performance on okami. My love for him will be greater than bobbyc towards machida. Probably be the biggest nuthugger from now on and ignore any logically post against him losing. But time will tell.
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This is extremely inaccurate. He failed both of his takedowns in that round....not only that, he made almost no effort to stand and trade. Seconds after failing a clinch takedown, he got caught with some punches and even pulled guard to avoid the stand up. But then he got choked.

Once.

Not at all again. This was Anderson's known weakness for the last several years. It was in Leben's gameplan(he got knocked out though in the first exchange)...Rich tried it(Anderson scrambled right back up and stuff the rest)....Nate tried it(Big John with a bit of a B.S standup, then the wrestling switch on the failed takedown then the KO)...Maia and Leites tried it(failed) and Hendo tried it(got outgrappled)....Sonnen didn't do anything any different then the tons of other opponents he's fought. Hell, even guys back in the day like Carlos Newton and Ryo Chonan employed takedown heavy gameplans... The only difference is Sonnen is one of the best wrestlers to ever step into the cage, so he was able to take Silva down easily (LIKE HES TAKEN DOWN EVERYONE ELSE VERY EASILY). And he still got submitted.
Eh. I didn't see some of those fights like that. To each opinion their own. I have a feeling Okami will out grapple Silva (whether Silva manages to win or not). Loser eats crow?

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Eh. I didn't see some of those fights like that. To each opinion their own. I have a feeling Okami will out grapple Silva (whether Silva manages to win or not). Loser eats crow?

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Yes. Anderson still isn't a great wrestler and Okami has some serious grappling chops. Okami has also improved far more than Silva has. Sure, Silva's refined parts of his game, but Okami's taken his wrestling to another dimension, and now is a more than competent boxer. Okami is also MUCH larger physically since the first fight. Looks like a totally different fighter.
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I didn't read that one. My error.
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Eh. I didn't see some of those fights like that. To each opinion their own. I have a feeling Okami will out grapple Silva (whether Silva manages to win or not). Loser eats crow?

I'll book mark this thread if you would like.
Also. I dont get what you mean when you say you don't see some of those fights like that. I thought most of the fights were pretty clear cut.

Leben - Leben never actually executed his gameplan, but he made it clear that his gameplan was to get in Anderson's face right off the bat(he said Anderson wasn't great mid-short tange) and that he wasn't going to stand back and allow him to get caught in Anderson's technical game. Then he'd go for takedowns and try to ground and pound and beat him up. His gameplan....eerily was actually EXTREMELY similar to Sonnen's. Problem, the very exact weapon that Leben said he had to watch out for(the left high kick) he ended up getting caught with then got knocked out by a flurry in less than a minute.

Rich - In the first fight, his team had basically surmised that Rich was going to be a lot bigger and stronger and that he could control the fight in the clinch and perhaps work some throws and drag downs, the problem was, he found out about Anderson's underestimated strength, and when he attempted to clinch, Anderson turned him around and brutalized him. Again this is all in interviews and can actually be seen when examining the fight. The second fight, Rich wanted to mix it up more on the outside, but he did go for takedowns and even got one but Anderson scrambled up very quickly afterward. Rich wasn't a great wrestler so he really couldn't do much in that area.

Nate - Nate got takedowns in the fight, it was basically his only strategy, he got stood up by Big John which was a BS stand up after controlling Anderson for most of the round...he tries another single but gets sprawled but then makes a mistake and puts his head outside on his second attempt and Anderson hits the wrestling switch and ends it.
This my main point, Anderson isn't hitting a wrestling switch like that on Chael freakin Sonnen. The reason these guys are losing is not because of gamplanning but because they are not All-World wrestlers like Sonnen is.

Hendo- Same thing, got a takedown from the clinch in the first. Second round he fails a shot....he goes for a clinch and Silva breaks away off the fence and a few seconds later catches him with a punch, Hendo started swinging wildly in retaliation and apparently him doing this meant that he was trying to strike with Silva and had foolishly abandoned the wrestling. He then PULLS guard to avoid the striking game and gets ground and pounded then choked.


Leites- Tries 1000 takedown attempts...gets about 1 or 2.

Maia- See Leites, Thales...minus the gets about 1 or 2.


The only dudes that tried to actually technically strike with him were Vitor(duh)Irvin and Forrest(lol) and I guess Cote if you considering looking for one big punch a la Robbie Lawler, trying to strike.
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OP surely this is edging on troll-like behaviour! Any fighter has a chance on beating another fighter, EVERYONE has a punchers chance at least, coupled with Okami's effective wrestling approach he has a decent shot....did you think Sonnen would have done so well just looking at the fight on paper? No you didn't.

Your dismissal of Okami with no real reason to back it up is childish and amateur at best!
No real reason? Lol, the reason is in their first fight Okami looked very similar to other fighters throwing themselves on the ground and flopping around like fish praying to god they can get the fight to the ground.

MAYBE if he gets the fight to the ground, otherwise, lol.

Furthermore isn't Okami much smaller than Silva? I believe he is.
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No real reason? Lol, the reason is in their first fight Okami looked very similar to other fighters throwing themselves on the ground and flopping around like fish praying to god they can get the fight to the ground.

MAYBE if he gets the fight to the ground, otherwise, lol.

Furthermore isn't Okami much smaller than Silva? I believe he is.
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No real reason? Lol, the reason is in their first fight Okami looked very similar to other fighters throwing themselves on the ground and flopping around like fish praying to god they can get the fight to the ground.

MAYBE if he gets the fight to the ground, otherwise, lol.

Furthermore isn't Okami much smaller than Silva? I believe he is.


I remember Joe Rogan saying walking around he swears he looks like a heavyweight.
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