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Yes. Anderson still isn't a great wrestler and Okami has some serious grappling chops. Okami has also improved far more than Silva has. Sure, Silva's refined parts of his game, but Okami's taken his wrestling to another dimension, and now is a more than competent boxer. Okami is also MUCH larger physically since the first fight. Looks like a totally different fighter.
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You're mental to think that this fight has any bearing on the old fight. That figh was so long ago it's ridiculous. Look at Fitch/Alves and Fitch/Alves 2, GSP/Penn 1 and 2 etc. Fights with this long of a delay between them, especially ones early in either fighters career, mean next to nothing about the next fight. Yushin is easily the best all around grappler at MW (I said grappling, Chael is the best pure wrestler but he has shit defense, Maia is the best BJJ Player but his takedowns need work) and Anderson's Achilles' Heel is his wrestling (as exposed by Henderson and Chael both. Yes, Hendo lost, but only because he's ******* retarded).
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He got his shot, and we saw how it went. I imagine he's due for another soon enough but he'll need to be coming off a win, not a draw.
I guess the 5 win streak after his loss to GSP wasnt good enough

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All I'm going to say is everybody has a shot. Sometimes the unexpected happens. It happened with Randy Couture when he fought Chuck Liddell and Tim Sylvia. No one ever saw Matt Serra beating GSP. Jon Jones should have been dominated by Shogun instead it was the other way around. Chuck Liddell was suppose to destroy the wrestler Rashad Evans. Forrest Griffin was not suppose to beat Shogun or Rampage Jackson. Oh yeah, wasn't Frankie Edgar supposed to get smashed by BJ Penn? TWICE!

I don't believe Yushin is going to win but their is a small chance that he might. It happen before it might very well happen again.

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I guess the 5 win streak after his loss to GSP wasnt good enough
Win 233 (1) Thiago Alves Decision (unanimous) UFC 117: Silva vs. Sonnen August 7, 2010 3 5:00 Oakland, California Catchweight (171.5 lb) bout; Thiago Alves did not make weight
Win 223 (1) Ben Saunders Decision (unanimous) UFC 111: St-Pierre vs. Hardy March 27, 2010 3 5:00 Newark, New Jersey
Win 213 (1) Mike Pierce Decision (unanimous) UFC 107: Penn vs. Sanchez December 12, 2009 3 5:00 Memphis, Tennessee
Win 203 (1) Paulo Thiago Decision (unanimous) UFC 100 July 11, 2009 3 5:00 Las Vegas, Nevada
Win 193 (1) Akihiro Gono

Gono, Paulo, Mike Pierce, and Ben Saunders are not credible enough wins to get you even close to a 2nd title shot. The Alves win is great (even though Alves was a shell of his normal self), and if he had dominated Penn those two victories would get him close. But the other four wins definitely won't.

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I guess the 5 win streak after his loss to GSP wasnt good enough
Yea no SH**!
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Win 233 (1) Thiago Alves Decision (unanimous) UFC 117: Silva vs. Sonnen August 7, 2010 3 5:00 Oakland, California Catchweight (171.5 lb) bout; Thiago Alves did not make weight
Win 223 (1) Ben Saunders Decision (unanimous) UFC 111: St-Pierre vs. Hardy March 27, 2010 3 5:00 Newark, New Jersey
Win 213 (1) Mike Pierce Decision (unanimous) UFC 107: Penn vs. Sanchez December 12, 2009 3 5:00 Memphis, Tennessee
Win 203 (1) Paulo Thiago Decision (unanimous) UFC 100 July 11, 2009 3 5:00 Las Vegas, Nevada
Win 193 (1) Akihiro Gono

Gono, Paulo, Mike Pierce, and Ben Saunders are not credible enough wins to get you even close to a 2nd title shot. The Alves win is great (even though Alves was a shell of his normal self), and if he had dominated Penn those two victories would get him close. But the other four wins definitely won't.
At his level 5 straight wins in any other division would have got him a title shot. After his loss to GSP the UFC obviously did a really good job not throwing prospects like Dailey or Hardy at him cause he would have derailed what little the didn't have going on. He would have been a bad match up for both. He's not the most exciting fighter but he wins...
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At his level 5 straight wins in any other division would have got him a title shot. After his loss to GSP the UFC obviously did a really good job not throwing prospects like Dailey or Hardy at him cause he would have derailed what little the didn't have going on. He would have been a bad match up for both. He's not the most exciting fighter but he wins...
There's a TON of fighters with 5 fight win streaks that aren't close to a title shot, and have fought better competition.

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I guess the 5 win streak after his loss to GSP wasnt good enough
might have, the draw kinda soured that whole thing.

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Win 233 (1) Thiago Alves Decision (unanimous) UFC 117: Silva vs. Sonnen August 7, 2010 3 5:00 Oakland, California Catchweight (171.5 lb) bout; Thiago Alves did not make weight
Win 223 (1) Ben Saunders Decision (unanimous) UFC 111: St-Pierre vs. Hardy March 27, 2010 3 5:00 Newark, New Jersey
Win 213 (1) Mike Pierce Decision (unanimous) UFC 107: Penn vs. Sanchez December 12, 2009 3 5:00 Memphis, Tennessee
Win 203 (1) Paulo Thiago Decision (unanimous) UFC 100 July 11, 2009 3 5:00 Las Vegas, Nevada
Win 193 (1) Akihiro Gono

Gono, Paulo, Mike Pierce, and Ben Saunders are not credible enough wins to get you even close to a 2nd title shot. The Alves win is great (even though Alves was a shell of his normal self), and if he had dominated Penn those two victories would get him close. But the other four wins definitely won't.
Gono has beaten: Mousasi and Lombard, both VERY highly ranked opponents, Sakurai, another highly ranked opponent, Kondo, Very experienced veteran, McRory, one o fthe biggest prospects in the division at the time, and drew with both Chael and Ninja. He's not exactly a can.

Saunders: Late replacement for Alves, you can't count that against Jon for fighting him. If you watched that fight at all you know that Jon was shit wrecking him the entire fight, had his back and almost submitting him the entire second round and doing nothing but raining elbows in the third. A lesser fighter would've been done more than once in that fight. That decision is more a credit to Saunders' toughness than Fitch's inability to finish. Also, coming into that fight, he was 8-1 with a KO against Marcus Davis (the only person to ever do so at the time).

Pierce was ANOTHER late replacement for Alves (who, himself, was a replacement for Almedia) so it's not that much of a shock he gave him a fight, Jon was preparing for 2 COMPLETELY different fighters than Pierce. Also, Pierce is now 4-1 in the UFC, his only loss coming to Jon.

Paulo was coming off of a BRUTAL KO of Josh Koscheck, one of the top WWs in the division. He still hasn't been finished in the UFC even though he's fought mostly good finishing fighters (Swick, Kampmann and Diego) so I think, again, saying "uhhhh decision" is unmerited.

Alves, like you said, wasn't exactly himself, but he still got the ass beating of his career. I think Jon beat him better standing than GSP did.

The BJ fight, IMO, is still up in the air. A lot of places called that fight a win for Jon. BJ called that a win for Jon. The beating that he laid on BJ in that third round ALONE warrants a title shot. How many people have beaten on BJ like that ever? Only one I can think of is GSP. It may have been called a draw but in the eyes of a lot of fans he beat the tar out of BJ and BJ did very little to him except take him down.
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Chael showed the way.

I don't think the dude, any dude, has a chance unless they can lay on Silva like a wet blanket for 5 rounds non stop. Plus, they'd have to avoid Anderon's jiu jitsu game, which remains overlooked and under-rated.

Anderson, however and wherever he wants it, unfortunately for the Okami fans.
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