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post #11 of 28 (permalink) Old 08-03-2011, 06:02 PM
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id rather all fights be 5 3min rounds (15mins) with 7(21Mins) and 9 (27Mins) round fights for title and number 1 contender or main event fights! Makes the point based scoring more fair and few more rest breaks to avoid fighters 'pacing them selves'.
I think MMA requires long rounds, you'd never see any tactics unfold with 3 minute rounds. 5 minutes is ideal to compensate all the facets of MMA, it's just that 3 or 5 rounds is not always neccessary. Answer = TUF System.

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3 min round is unacceptable in mma. One takedown from any decent wrestler and the fight is over.

The Tuf system is appealing, but I like 3 full rounds. The focus needs to be on how to score fights, not so much the time limits. More ways to keep stalling to a minimum. Improve position etc.

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I may be alone here in thinking that the UFC's new 5-round main event policy is a big blow to MMA.


It's established that the UFC is the big league, if you watch your first MMA fight it's likely going to be a UFC fight. If you're watching it live, the main event is the pinnacle of the card and what you're going to remember the most.


Five rounds is too many. Twenty-five minutes of fighting won't mean more excitement, it means the same amount drawn out thinner. There's no athlete who can go at 100% for that long. Your mentality changes in a fight that long, you need to be very conservative and the remaining balance of the round looms over the fighters head anytime he's utilizing energy to be explosive.


Sure there are fights that make you want two more rounds - but if they originally started as five round fights the action would have been much different. And likely, the additional two rounds would be robbed of the excitement as a result of the exhaustion from the first three. A fight that was originally exciting for three rounds could be -overall - viewed as dull if the remaining two rounds aren't exciting.
  • Imagine Korean Zombie vs. Garcia going two more rounds with both fighters exhausted, unwilling to engage. It would never have been fight of the year.
  • If Griffin vs. Bonnar I had gone two more rounds and they were as inactive as round 3 of Falcao vs. Harris... would MMA be what it is today?


My proposal is not unlike the Pride rules, but more practical in my opinion:

Two 5-minute rounds. One 2.5 minute round, for 12.5 minutes total.

The 2.5 minutes will give a sense of urgency to whoever is losing the fight. And if the winner is playing it safe and not engaging, it's less time to sit through. It'll bring back the much needed "sense of urgency" that the unified rules don't encourage.

One consideration to help judging is to make the 2.5 minute round a 5-point must round. It will help eliminate draws due to a 10-8 round.


For title fights, three 5 minute rounds and one 2.5 minute round.






cliff notes: to encourage a sense of urgency, have two 5 minute rounds and one 1.5 minute round. The third round can be worth a maximum of 5 points to discourage draws due to 10-8.
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I like the TUF system also. I'd probably make only title fights 5 rounds with every other fight 4 rounds with an extra 5th if theres a stalemate.




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I actually like the 5-round system. The difference is, I that I think all fights should be 5 rounds, not just Championship fights. 5-round fights to me would offer more clarity, more opportunities for a finish, and more chances to score points with take downs, lay 'n pray, wall 'n stall, etc. To me it just offers both chances and would make wrestling fans like myself happy and the "Just Bleeders" happy as well.

I agree that every fighter in the UFC should be able to fight for 25 minutes, and that gassing otherwise just shows an inability or a level of apathy to compete at the top level.
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Jesus Christ no. That WOULD appeal to the kids with ADHD though.

The sooner we get uniform 25 minute fights the better.

Then the true tacticians and the guys who are actually in shape will rise to the top.


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I don't agree.
While your Korean Zombie-Garcia example may seem like a good argument for "No to 5 round fights!", it really isn't. You will rarely, if not ever see a slugfest like that in a Main Event on a PPV card, especially from now on when MMA is growing so fast and fighters are getting more and more well rounded and skilled. Main events are usually given to top fighters whose fights consist of more strategy and skill than your average fighters, and the more rounds there are, the more you can execute your gameplan to the fullest, if that makes sense.
Two 5min rounds and one 2,5min round, like mentioned already above, is stupid. Much easier for wrestlers to take it and too short for grapplers to work for a submission. The Pride system with one 10min round and two 5min rounds is the best imo.
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I'm not just a fan I'm also a practitioner, so yes, I do "understand" what it means to have that kind of cardio.

As amazed as I am to be quoting Nick Diaz he said plainly that its bullshit that fighters gas out the way they do. He knows he can go at full speed for five rounds at 80% of his anerobic maximun, because through his Triathalon training he spends hours at nearly 100% of his anerobic max. And if one fighter can train hard enough to get into and stay in that kind of shape, and he only fights once every 3-4 months, what is the excuse for another fighter not being able to do the same when he fights with the same regularity?

As I said I'm against the 5 round main events. But I definitely think its a cop out to say fighters physically can't do it, when there's overwhelming proof that it is possible.

Nick Diaz has been to the fifth round once in his career. How is that overwhelming proof? Let's see how much energy he has fighting GSP in the 4th and 5th if he goes full on in rounds 1-2-3.

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I actually like the 5-round system. The difference is, I that I think all fights should be 5 rounds, not just Championship fights. 5-round fights to me would offer more clarity, more opportunities for a finish, and more chances to score points with take downs, lay 'n pray, wall 'n stall, etc. To me it just offers both chances and would make wrestling fans like myself happy and the "Just Bleeders" happy as well.

I agree that every fighter in the UFC should be able to fight for 25 minutes, and that gassing otherwise just shows an inability or a level of apathy to compete at the top level.

I believe there's been four or five 5th round finishes in all UFC history. I can't find any record of how many have been finished in the fourth, but I can't recall any off-hand.

Let's take a lot at everyone's favorite WW champion.

GSP:
Before he defended his belt, he had 11 fights in the UFC and only 3 went to decision. Counting his first successful title defense, he's had seven fights and five have gone to decision.

3 round fights: 27% went to decision.
5 round fights: 71% went to decision.


And now let's look at a good amount of the previous champions in the UFC and see how many have finished a fight in the 4th or 5th round.

Edgar: 0 finishes in 4th of 5th
BJ Penn: 1 finish in 4th, 1 finish in 5th
Matt Hughes: 2 finishes in 4th 0 in 5th
GSP: 0 finishes in 4th or 5th, one corner stoppage after 4th
Silva: 1 finish in 5th
Franklin: 1 finish in 4th
LHW: no one has been finished in the 4th or 5th at LHW.
Rizzo: only HW fight finished in 4th (vs. Randy).

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I think that's a pretty good amount of finishes late in fights.

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I think that's a pretty good amount of finishes late in fights.

About six in UFC history.

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