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Old 08-15-2011, 12:39 AM   #11 (permalink)

 
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Care to share why you have that opinion?

Tito was the most dominant LHW champ in the UFC defending the title more than anybody else. Has beaten legendary fighters like Wanderlie Silva, Evan Tanner, Vitor Belfort,Ken Shamrock (one of the sports greatest rivalries), and Guy Mezger. Also has beaten future legend Forrest Griffen and fought to a close draw with future legend Rashad Evans. He has been involved in 9 UFC title fights, beaten 3 former king of pancrease, 3 former UFC champs, one former Pride champion. He has had 2 of the sports all time greatest rivalries with Chuck Liddell and Ken Shamrock. He has also had legendary fights with both Randy Couture and Frank Shamrock. That is the career of a true legend whose status can not be debated and should never need be justified.
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Old 08-15-2011, 12:39 AM   #12 (permalink)
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The best dude in PRIDE for a long time was Wanderlei at 205, who Tito beat very easily.

Also, Guy Mezger was a top 5 LHW in PRIDE and Tito beat the hell out him too.
1. Tito also lost Mezger
2. What Wanderlei did after that fight was much more impressive than what Tito did during his entire career.

I don't mean to trash or disrespect Tito, but where can you realistically rank him all time at 205? How far down the line amongst the 205 and HW's do you give Legend status.
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He beat less than a handful of very good fighters over a short period of time then had a long career of being a clown who couldn't get legitimate wins over anyone good. Not a legend all of this guys fans are delusional. Going 1-1 against Mezger, beating Wandy, getting ripoff decisions against Vitor's shadow and Forrest, and getting your ass beat by basically every other very good fighter you faced does not make you a legend. He is a legend among douchebags and people who got undeserved praise though.
Mezger was Chuck Liddell before Chuck was Chuck. Dude was one of the sports biggest stars at one time. When Mezger beat Tito the difference was Tito had only had one fight, Mezger had already had 20. Tito has fought 15 guys who have fought for UFC titles. You have got to be completely delusional to try to discredit all he has accomplished.
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1. Tito also lost Mezger
2. What Wanderlei did after that fight was much more impressive than what Tito did during his entire career.

I don't mean to trash or disrespect Tito, but where can you realistically rank him all time at 205? How far down the line amongst the 205 and HW's do you give Legend status.
Top 5 pretty easily.

And I don't really think so at all. People typically nuthug PRIDE and give shit to UFC fighters just because it's UFC. Same way people can say Tito fought supposedly weak competition(Kondo and Matyushenko are hardly weak, especially Kondo at that point), yet excuse PRIDE fighters for mainly beating up on weaker Japanese fighters and random cans.

Wanderlei didn't do much other than beat Mezger, who Tito already stopped, decision Dan but later get brutally KO'd by him, and stop Rampage twice. Other than that, he beat up on Sakuraba a bunch of times and stopped Kondo and everything else isn't really of note.
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Tito was the most dominant LHW champ in the UFC defending the title more than anybody else. Has beaten legendary fighters like Wanderlie Silva, Evan Tanner, Vitor Belfort,Ken Shamrock (one of the sports greatest rivalries), and Guy Mezger. Also has beaten future legend Forrest Griffen and fought to a close draw with future legend Rashad Evans. He has been involved in 9 UFC title fights, beaten 3 former king of pancrease, 3 former UFC champs, one former Pride champion. He has had 2 of the sports all time greatest rivalries with Chuck Liddell and Tito Oritiz. He has also had legendary fights with both Randy Couture and Frank Shamrock. That is the career of a true legend whose status can not be debated and should never need be justified.
It isn't a rivalry if it is one sided. Ken Shamrock and Evan Tanner were not good fighters. He was 1-1 against Mezger and Vitor should have gotten that decision. He lost those legendary fights.

The top level fighters he has gone against are Chuck, Mezger, Wandy, Randy, Vitor, Frank, Forrest, Evans, and Lyoto. He is 4-8-1 against those guys and 2 of those wins are fraudulent. 2-10-1 against the best THE STUFF OF LEGENDS!
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1. Tito also lost Mezger
2. What Wanderlei did after that fight was much more impressive than what Tito did during his entire career.

I don't mean to trash or disrespect Tito, but where can you realistically rank him all time at 205? How far down the line amongst the 205 and HW's do you give Legend status.
#4 only behind Liddell, Wandy and Couture. IMO he and Shogun are close for 4 and 5 and basically interchangeable.

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It isn't a rivalry if it is one sided. Ken Shamrock and Evan Tanner were not good fighters. He was 1-1 against Mezger and Vitor should have gotten that decision. He lost those legendary fights.

The top level fighters he has gone against are Chuck, Mezger, Wandy, Randy, Vitor, Frank, Forrest, Evans, and Lyoto. He is 4-8-1 against those guys and 2 of those wins are fraudulent. 2-10-1 against the best THE STUFF OF LEGENDS!
God, look Wandy just lost 6 or his last 8 he is horrible, Chuck lost 5 or his last 6 his entire career is meaningless, Randy Couture, hell that chump lost 3 of his last 6 and one was a BS decision over Brandon Vera. Hell I guess the entire LHW division sucks and nobody who ever fought in the division is a legend.

Evan Tanner was a former champion for gods sake, Shamrock was once one of the most feared fighters on the planet. Albeit Shamrock was already on the decline when he met up with Tito, it doesn't make it a wash.
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#4 only behind Liddell, Wandy and Couture. IMO he and Shogun are close for 4 and 5 and basically interchangeable.
About right.

On a side note, I like the sentiment that Forrest got ripped off in the first fight, when he pretty clearly didn't.

Nor did Vitor for that matter, although he certainly could've won it given 3 different judges and it was closer than the Forrest fight.
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Tito is a legend. Just because he can't hang with the top guys today doesn't negate the body of work he produced in the past.
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#4 only behind Liddell, Wandy and Couture. IMO he and Shogun are close for 4 and 5 and basically interchangeable.
Matt Hamill(Beat Tito)
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Those are some of the people Rampage has beaten. Quit hating on the real great fighters of the sport Tito isn't top 10 all time at LHW.
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An argument for both fighters exists in both Forrest/Tito fights so as long as each got one win, I am ok with it.
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