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Old 08-14-2011, 10:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Tito Ortiz: Legend, or Pioneer?

Do you think that Tito is a UFC/MMA legend, or simply a pioneer?

He's one of the most, and least popular fighters in the sport. He carried the UFC through it's dark ages and defended the Light-Heavyweight Championship a record of five times, although against questionable competition.

It's no doubt that Tito has had a profound impact on the UFC, but is he worthy of being called a "legend"? Or even a Hall of Famer?

Pros:
- Has defended the Light-Heavyweight Title more times than any other LHW Champion
- Was once the UFC biggest PPV draws
- Has victories over Forrest Griffin, Vitor Belfort, and Wanderlei Silva.
- Has only ever lost to legitimate competition

Cons:
- Defended his title against questionable competition
- His "excuses" have caused disarray with himself and the UFC fans and brass.
- Is not respected by the majority of the MMA community, and MMA fighters themselves.
- His only legitimate victories are questionable at best (Forrest, Vitor...)


Those are just some points.

Whats your opinion/arguement?
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Old 08-14-2011, 10:43 PM   #2 (permalink)
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He is just a clown.
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Clearly a legend. Let's not get crazy. It's not like he's some 96 style Pancrase fighter a la Funaki.
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Clearly a legend. Let's not get crazy. It's not like he's some 96 style Pancrase fighter a la Funaki.
The clown shoes he has sported cast a shadow over everything good he has done even more than the brutal ass beatings he has taken by most of the actually elite fighters he has gone against.
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Cons -
You could make the argument that he's not even one of the ten greatest 205 fighters of all time, already. (Chuck, Griffin, Henderson, Machida, Rashad, Rampage, Randy, Shogun, Shamrock, Wanderlei)

Their are questions that he was the best 205ers when he was champion because of Pride, and even issues with him being the best in the UFC thanks to Couture, and Liddell.

I'd call him a pioneer
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Anyone who fails to recognize Tito as a true legend of the sport is either just being a hater, are a noob or are out of there minds.

Ortiz is one of the greatest legends in UFC history.
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Anyone who fails to recognize Tito as a true legend of the sport is either just being a hater, are a noob or are out of there minds.

Ortiz is one of the greatest legends in UFC history.
Care to share why you have that opinion?
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Anyone who fails to recognize Tito as a true legend of the sport is either just being a hater, are a noob or are out of there minds.

Ortiz is one of the greatest legends in UFC history.
I don't like Tito, but I agree with what you said.

How many LHW have accomplished what Tito has? Not many.
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Cons -
You could make the argument that he's not even one of the ten greatest 205 fighters of all time, already. (Chuck, Griffin, Henderson, Machida, Rashad, Rampage, Randy, Shogun, Shamrock, Wanderlei)

Their are questions that he was the best 205ers when he was champion because of Pride, and even issues with him being the best in the UFC thanks to Couture, and Liddell.

I'd call him a pioneer
The best dude in PRIDE for a long time was Wanderlei at 205, who Tito beat very easily.

Also, Guy Mezger was a top 5 LHW in PRIDE and Tito beat the hell out him too.

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Anyone who fails to recognize Tito as a true legend of the sport is either just being a hater, are a noob or are out of there minds.

Ortiz is one of the greatest legends in UFC history.
He beat less than a handful of very good fighters over a short period of time then had a long career of being a clown who couldn't get legitimate wins over anyone good. Not a legend all of this guys fans are delusional. Going 1-1 against Mezger, beating Wandy, getting ripoff decisions against Vitor's shadow and Forrest, and getting your ass beat by basically every other very good fighter you faced does not make you a legend. He is a legend among douchebags and people who got undeserved praise though.
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