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Old 08-29-2011, 11:22 AM   #201 (permalink)
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in all honesty anderson really isnt a cash cow and the only reason he would give bisping a fight is for the european expansion.
F.. The European expansion, Im from Europe and I want to see the Anderson tested, not getting fed opponents because of their Nationality. Bring Anderson vs GSP to London and I'll buy a ticket, hell have Bisping fight In a Co-main event, but dont waste another Anderson fight on someone who Isnt going to challenge him.

And, yeah.. I've heard Anderson Isnt the biggest cash cow In the UFC, but something tells me when Lyoto wanted Anderson money there's a reason Anderson gets that money.
Im sure he's a top 10 draw
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Old 08-29-2011, 12:30 PM   #202 (permalink)
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Second round Anderson turned it up. He allowed Okami to take control of the Octagon in the first now it was his turn. He threw a plethora of shots and feints that confused em big time.

Then he planted his feet and jab countered multiple times and I didn't realize this but they threw jabs SIMULTANEOUSLY except Anderson sidestepped it by a "few inches" and snapped Okami's head back. Okami still hadn't retracted his jab yet that's why he got dropped...it was another sniper shot except a warning for what was to come.

Now this is my favorite. Okami got up and stalked Anderson until his back was against the fence and guess what he let em. This was a TRAP. He went into his crouching Karate stance while Okami inched his way towards him subsequently throwing the left cross. Anderson dodged it and spun around and surprise...Okami was pinned against the fence. Then bam right cross counter dropped em and it was over.

So you see it's not that Okami handed him the fight. It was a very high level chess match with traps, diversions, and position plays all utilized for the end game.
yeah of course Anderson was trapping him, this was clear as day. Okami walked right into it, you do not go punch for punch with Anderson Silva, if you do you are an idiot. This is exactly what Okami got tricked into doing and it's why he lost, I was sitting there going "noooooooooo, what are you doing!!!!!!" bam fights over. Okami should have walked to the middle of the octagon, thrown an overhand right, head down, charge, double leg takedown. That should have been it, it's Okami's fault for standing flatfooted with his head up. I just can't give credit to Anderson when Okami decides to have a who is faster contest.

I see this fight like throwing lobs by Ed Reed, challenging Usain Bolt to a sprint, trying to outwrestle GSP if you catch my drift. Anderson is a human like anyone else who has weaknesses, but to play directly into his strengths is plain stupid. We have to wait until the rematch with Sonnen (if it happens) to see how good Anderson really is when someone fights to his weaknesses instead of his strengths. Is Anderson an amazing striker, absolutely. Can you call him an amazing mma fighter from his fight with Okami? Not really. In my eyes this was a case of Okami making Anderson look good, just like Forrest and Leben did.

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Old 08-30-2011, 07:05 AM   #203 (permalink)
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Whilst being roided up against Anderson with a busted rib :P
And Silva wearing his Gi and BJJ black belt at the walk in. People still don't get that Silva wanted the fight to be on the ground to make it a BJJ showcase after Sonnen's insult on Nogueira's BJJ credentials.

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Seriously when Silva puts his hands down I just start to lol cause I know that's the end of the fight. Once his hands are down Silva's opponent should just walk out the ring cause it's pretty much over..
When Silva puts his hands down it's definitely a sign that he has his opponent's timing and the latter is in big trouble.

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Silva is ******* scary and just plain evil. Feeling out your opponent, making him comfortable in the first round and then just making him shit his pants in the second with all the intense movements and aggressiveness. Then he knocks him down with a freakin jab, subconsciously telling Okami "Hey, guess how a real punch will feel like". Then he fakes pity and lets his hands down, Okami feels better and gets knocked out.
That wasn't just a jab. It was an atomic clock timed jab right into Okami's forward momentum when the latter tried to throw a jab himself. It wasn't only like Okami got hit, it was more like him running face first into an invisible brick wall.

You can see how Silva had his hands down and let Okami throw a couple of punches first to get the exact timing. Doing that, Silva did not just know the velocity and reach of Okami's punches, but also when/in what intervals Okami would throw them. You could call it Silva's interpretation of Bruce Lee's "way of the intercepting fist".


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who honestly even expected anything different?
I expected something different and I'm almost a bit disappointed that I was wrong. I hoped for Silva knocking Okami out with an upkick from his back again, but timing it so that Okami would only have his feet grounded to be it legal this time.

I'm not disappointed with the Silva win though
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Old 08-30-2011, 12:37 PM   #204 (permalink)
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yeah of course Anderson was trapping him, this was clear as day. Okami walked right into it, you do not go punch for punch with Anderson Silva, if you do you are an idiot. This is exactly what Okami got tricked into doing and it's why he lost, I was sitting there going "noooooooooo, what are you doing!!!!!!" bam fights over. Okami should have walked to the middle of the octagon, thrown an overhand right, head down, charge, double leg takedown. That should have been it, it's Okami's fault for standing flatfooted with his head up. I just can't give credit to Anderson when Okami decides to have a who is faster contest.

I see this fight like throwing lobs by Ed Reed, challenging Usain Bolt to a sprint, trying to outwrestle GSP if you catch my drift. Anderson is a human like anyone else who has weaknesses, but to play directly into his strengths is plain stupid. We have to wait until the rematch with Sonnen (if it happens) to see how good Anderson really is when someone fights to his weaknesses instead of his strengths. Is Anderson an amazing striker, absolutely. Can you call him an amazing mma fighter from his fight with Okami? Not really. In my eyes this was a case of Okami making Anderson look good, just like Forrest and Leben did.
You don't understand fighting this isn't a video game where you can magically be proficient in any style you want at any time. Okami doesn't have the skills to implement that kind of gameplan and he wasn't trying to fight in any areas of weakness for himself. Okami's strengths are outside boxing, clinch striking, and top control. He tried two of those and lost handily in both areas and doesn't have the speed or takedown skills to get Anderson down with any regularity to get to his third strength.

This was all known prior to the fight. Okami fought exactly the way everyone should have expected him to because that is how he always fights. Some of you people are writing fan fictions not assessing fighters and matchups.

Silva doesn't have any real weaknesses anyways. He has one of the best attacking guards in MMA being on top of him isn't safe at all and it isn't like his wrestling is bad either.
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Old 08-30-2011, 01:13 PM   #205 (permalink)
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You don't understand fighting this isn't a video game where you can magically be proficient in any style you want at any time. Okami doesn't have the skills to implement that kind of gameplan and he wasn't trying to fight in any areas of weakness for himself. Okami's strengths are outside boxing, clinch striking, and top control. He tried two of those and lost handily in both areas and doesn't have the speed or takedown skills to get Anderson down with any regularity to get to his third strength.

This was all known prior to the fight. Okami fought exactly the way everyone should have expected him to because that is how he always fights. Some of you people are writing fan fictions not assessing fighters and matchups.
except that this isn't true... so yeah... one of his strengths is his takedowns, this was talked about ad nauseum before the fight. GSP trains in a way to implement a new gameplan against every fighter, Okami had plenty of time to train double leg takedowns in the gym and it's clear that's what he should have been doing. Telling me he couldn't formulate a strategy based on skills he already has while training with a fighter who implemented this strategy once already is ridiculous.

He never had a chance standing up against Silva and was dumb enough to try, he should have stood slightly back from the middle of the octagon head down, overhand right, charge for the double leg. Any fighter with half a brain and decent takedown skills (such as Okami) will utilize a similar strategy. Don't stand with Anderson Silva, don't go to the ground with Brock Lesnar, don't wrestle with GSP. This is how people become champions, they fight others where they are at their worst, not their best and they implement strategies that make it possible. Okami's attempts at zero takedowns from the center proves how poorly he fought. His first takedown should have been 5 seconds into the fight.
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except that this isn't true... so yeah... one of his strengths is his takedowns, this was talked about ad nauseum before the fight. GSP trains in a way to implement a new gameplan against every fighter, Okami had plenty of time to train double leg takedowns in the gym and it's clear that's what he should have been doing. Telling me he couldn't formulate a strategy based on skills he already has while training with a fighter who implemented this strategy once already is ridiculous.

He never had a chance standing up against Silva and was dumb enough to try, he should have stood slightly back from the middle of the octagon head down, overhand right, charge for the double leg. Any fighter with half a brain and decent takedown skills (such as Okami) will utilize a similar strategy. Don't stand with Anderson Silva, don't go to the ground with Brock Lesnar, don't wrestle with GSP. This is how people become champions, they fight others where they are at their worst, not their best and they implement strategies that make it possible. Okami's attempts at zero takedowns from the center proves how poorly he fought. His first takedown should have been 5 seconds into the fight.
Takedowns are not a strength of his he is decent at clinch takdeowns and mediocre at outside shots. You are making shit up and again you think this is a video game where you can train a technique for a couple months and magically become great at it. He has been training wrestling for a decade and has a mediocre outside shot a couple months with Sonnen isn't changing that.

How many times did Maia try to get Silva down? His takedown skills are comparable to Okami which people don't seem to understand. Silva doesn't have bad wrestling Okami got stuffed with ease like 4 straight times on outside shots by him in their first fight.
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except that this isn't true... so yeah... one of his strengths is his takedowns, this was talked about ad nauseum before the fight. GSP trains in a way to implement a new gameplan against every fighter, Okami had plenty of time to train double leg takedowns in the gym and it's clear that's what he should have been doing.

He never had a chance standing up against Silva and was dumb enough to try, he should have stood slightly back from the middle of the octagon head down, overhand right, charge for the double leg. Any fighter with half a brain and decent takedown skills (such as Okami) will utilize a similar strategy. Okami's attempts at zero takedowns from the center proves how poorly he fought. His first takedown should have been 5 seconds into the fight.
Okami did what he usually does and came out very aggressive and had a strong first round.

- Anderson Silva utilized lateral movement so it was very difficult to catch em.
- Okami did have Octagon control
- Okami initiated the clinched
- Okami put him against the fence
- Okami got kneed several times then he attempted the takedown

Then the roundhouse landed (TSN turning point) and to me that was almost like Anderson saying..."you remember that kick." Without a doubt Okami had flashbacks and it stunned em leading into the second round he wasn't as agressive anymore. In fact tentative.

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Anderson flipped the script and went on the offensive. Okami was reacting to everything Anderson was doing. His game plan was shot out of the roof and it's certainly not the easiest to execute from an outside perspective. I gotta ask you have you ever played competitive sports. Sometimes (a lot of times) things don't work out whether it's circumstantial or it's forced by the opponent. In this case Anderson completely strung his opponent like a puppet master. To say a fighter should have done this or that is asinine when it's apparent he did try in the first.
Mind you he got stunned in the first (possibility of getting finished had the round not ended) and dropped with a jab in the second.

Then refer to my analysis where you said it was obvious that he was setting a trap. I don't think too many people could see that cuz I know I didn't til I reviewed it numerous times studying Anderson's movement intently. He does the most subtle things to get a reaction.

SO if you (Okami) were in there and you have a fighter who is as talented as Anderson throwing all these shots, feints, moving around, what are you going to do. "Oh I'll just take him down cuz that's what everybody does and I'll win the fight." If it were only that easy...eh.
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Old 08-30-2011, 04:09 PM   #208 (permalink)
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Takedowns are not a strength of his he is decent at clinch takdeowns and mediocre at outside shots. You are making shit up and again you think this is a video game where you can train a technique for a couple months and magically become great at it. He has been training wrestling for a decade and has a mediocre outside shot a couple months with Sonnen isn't changing that.

How many times did Maia try to get Silva down? His takedown skills are comparable to Okami which people don't seem to understand. Silva doesn't have bad wrestling Okami got stuffed with ease like 4 straight times on outside shots by him in their first fight.
If his wrestling isn't good why was it stated over and over that it was one of his strengths leading up to the fight, I'm not making anything up. He trained poorly and fought with a terrible gameplan, end of story. He had plenty of time to train his double leg takedowns, and it's almost exclusively what he should have been working on. You can deny it and insult me all you want, I know plenty about how mixed martial arts works and coming up with a good strategy and training in camp to implement it is what makes someone a winner or a loser. Okami trained poorly and had a crap gameplan, he had the physical tools and the time to train well but he didn't. Just because a fighter has fought one way in the past does not mean he is stuck there forever, it's up to the fighter and his trainers to create dynamic strategies. You are talking like no fighter can ever change their style which is 100% pure crap.
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If his wrestling isn't good why was it stated over and over that it was one of his strengths leading up to the fight, I'm not making anything up. He trained poorly and fought with a terrible gameplan, end of story. He had plenty of time to train his double leg takedowns, and it's almost exclusively what he should have been working on. You can deny it and insult me all you want, I know plenty about how mixed martial arts works and coming up with a good strategy and training in camp to implement it is what makes someone a winner or a loser. Okami trained poorly and had a crap gameplan, he had the physical tools and the time to train well but he didn't. Just because a fighter has fought one way in the past does not mean he is stuck there forever, it's up to the fighter and his trainers to create dynamic strategies. You are talking like no fighter can ever change their style which is 100% pure crap.
you have to remember the mental side of MMA, wich is a very important part, sure okami could have had a similar gameplan to sonnen, but it was obvious that he wouldnt be able to use it

the fight went down exactly how I and many others on this forum said it would, okami was too slow, he always starts slow, hes very methodical AND his TDs are from the clinch, jon fitch style, not double legs like sonnen or GSP, this meant he had to get in close to anderson to take him down, add in how much faster anderson is than okami it was pretty obvious he wouldnt be able to do what sonnen did, they are 2 completley different fighters (sonnen and okami) apples and oranges

even if he did plan on using the same gameplan as sonnen (wich sonnen probably did tell him to use) once you're in the cage its only natural to go back to your basic skills cuz thats what you know best, and i imagine being in there with anderson silva might want to make you fight the way you're most comfterble and use the skills that brought you to be #1 contender anyway

these things happened many times with guys fighting against GSP also...acutally guys fighting GSP usually do the opposite, they fight in a very different manner that got them there in the 1st place, they usually just stand still lol
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even if he did plan on using the same gameplan as sonnen (wich sonnen probably did tell him to use) once you're in the cage its only natural to go back to your basic skills cuz thats what you know best, and i imagine being in there with anderson silva might want to make you fight the way you're most comfterble and use the skills that brought you to be #1 contender anyway

these things happened many times with guys fighting against GSP also...acutally guys fighting GSP usually do the opposite, they fight in a very different manner that got them there in the 1st place, they usually just stand still lol
I like your idea, a large part of me thinks Okami went in there and completely panicked as soon as he saw the cage door close. Generally a fighter with a gameplan will atleast try to implement it at some point so either Okami panicked and completely forgot it or he just never had one. Either way it was not what a well trained contender should do, which is why I don't get the extreme praise for Anderson after this fight. He's an excellent counter puncher, we already knew that. Okami should have been in 100% takedown mode the entire fight.

Watching the second round was painful, Okami standing still getting lured into a striking match at midrange made me wonder how Okami ever got a title shot. If there's one thing you do not want to against Anderson it's exactly that, standing in his range trying to box. I'm not trying to take credit from Anderson, it's more of a wtf was Okami doing. how can someone who claims to be a pro mma fighter make such a massive mistake.
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