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Old 08-22-2011, 07:19 PM   #11 (permalink)
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One of the biggest mysteries for me: why would you keep a fighter (former champion) "captive" in a division where his chances of accomplishing anything impressive are ZERO?!

And you know that fighter would do much better at another weight class?!

And that fighter expressed his opinion about the subject multiple times, indicating how he would like things to happen?!


I don't get it!!!

Franklin has no chance at 205. He has an impossible mountain to climb in that division.

He's too small for those guys. Griffin made him look like dwarf.

At 185, Franklin wouldn't have that problem. He could keep his own in terms of size and strength.

Not saying he would be champion again - i don't think he can - but his chances of doing something are much better.

Plus: there are a lot of guys at MW that weren't around the time he was MW champ or top contender and it would be a challenge for him to see where he's really at: Sonnen, Stann, Munoz, Maia, Palhares, Bisping, Lawlor, Weidman, Belcher, Santiago and others...

I would love to see him end his career at 185, trying to "have some fun" while putting on great fights for the fans.
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I would actually give him a decent shot against Rampage, Thiago, and Phil. Rampage is one dimensional, and Thiago is horribly overrated.

It's a bad situation, but as long as Rich gets fights that's entertaining, that's all that matters to me at least.
You get that with him at 185 also.

Thiago Silva is not overrated imo. And he's a big strong dude. I don't want him to play drums on Franklin's back.
And Davis would wrestle Franklin to a dominant UD.

Franklin vs Jackson would be a good fight, but i see Jackson winning it.


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Aaaaaaaaah yeah...are you talking about the "fighting big names" argument?!

I hate that one.

For me it's just an indicator of a fighter nearring the end of his career.

And Franklin still has some "gasoline left in his tank".
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Does anyone else have zero interest in Nog? He is completely overhyped and is nothing more than a gatekeeper. One good win against Cane but other than that has looked barely average.
Cane? Dude, do you know anything about Lil' Nog?

He's beat Mezger, Hendo, Reem x2, Nakamura x2 and Vladdy. Put on one of the greatest fights ever with Shogun. Lil' Nog won't ever beat Champ but he's a solid entertaining fighter.
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Doesn't look like he's got a chance at 185 either....

Rich is good enough to beat anyone at 185 outside of Anderson
, and if he goes back down he eliminates a bunch of contender's. I like him better at 205, he's never gonna win the title, but he's a guy that I always love to see fight. He can be competitive with anyone at either weight class except Anderson.
This was true years ago. Not anymore.

The UFC wants big fights for Rich because he's a lot like Hughes. He's close to retirement/the end and they don't want to relegate him to gatekeeper status at this point by letting him get beat by up and coming MWs like Stann and Weidman.
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He should retire he's irrelevant @ both 185 and 205.
So should guys like Munoz Retire or Maia ? they pretty much have no hope of a belt and will lose to top tier guys like Franklin.

He can still win fights at both weights and isnt a punching bah like Wanderlei or the Nog's he has a future.
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So should guys like Munoz Retire or Maia ? they pretty much have no hope of a belt and will lose to top tier guys like Franklin.

He can still win fights at both weights and isnt a punching bah like Wanderlei or the Nog's he has a future.
Those guys have a ton to fight for. Rich doesn't. He should and probably will retire soon, by choice or not.


Plus they are a lot younger than Rich.

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This is where I wished there was no Anderson Silva! Rich fights 100% of his fights, he doesn't dance, he doesn't showboat... he fights. When Anderson is on, he's on and will beat Rich each time. But no current MW excluding Anderson can hang with Rich.

The whole situation sucks

Stann would beat him. Sonnen would beat him easily. Okami would probably beat him this time out. Weidman would probably beat him.

Belfort would knock his head off again.
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Stann would beat him. Sonnen would beat him easily. Okami would probably beat him this time out. Weidman would probably beat him.

Belfort would knock his head off again.
It's an opinion, but Rich would have the size and skill to beat them all quite soundly...it's only my opinion, just like yours it's personal and based on zero foundation.
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Those guys have a ton to fight for. Rich doesn't. He should and probably will retire soon, by choice or not.


Plus they are a lot younger than Rich.

They have a ton to fight , maybe depends if you're being optimistic or realistic, Munoz and Maia are solid fighters who can give anyone a competitive fight but they will not win any belts and will more than likely lose fights to the top guys like i already stated.

Rich can be competitive with the same calibre opponent that Munoz and Maia can be , give Franklin the Leben fight he would win give Franklin the Santiago fight he would win.

So i dont see why he needs to retire and its not like he is being battered like Big Nog or Wanderlei he is 36 and Munoz is 33 and so is Maia its hardly like he is ancient he is always in shape so i say keep fighting.
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It's an opinion, but Rich would have the size and skill to beat them all quite soundly...it's only my opinion, just like yours it's personal and based on zero foundation.
Well let's see.

Belfort already beat the shit out of Rich in a round.

Sonnen is a much better fighter than Rich and would simply wrestle him to the mat....which isn't a difficult thing to do in the first place since Rich has always been a bad wrestler...even Forrest played top control on him for most of their fight. Kudos with Weidman, who is actually a good deal bigger than Rich.

Rich at his peak beat an immature Okami..who is now on his peak while Rich is on the decline. Okami has also gotten considerably larger and probably would be much stronger and bigger than Rich in the cage.

And Stann is probably just a terrible terrible matchup for Rich, Stann is also bigger than Rich, has a granite chin and dynamite power. He'd eventually knock Rich stone cold, Rich has always had a below average chin.


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They have a ton to fight , maybe depends if you're being optimistic or realistic, Munoz and Maia are solid fighters who can give anyone a competitive fight but they will not win any belts and will more than likely lose fights to the top guys like i already stated.

Rich can be competitive with the same calibre opponent that Munoz and Maia can be , give Franklin the Leben fight he would win give Franklin the Santiago fight he would win.

So i dont see why he needs to retire and its not like he is being battered like Big Nog or Wanderlei he is 36 and Munoz is 33 and so is Maia its hardly like he is ancient he is always in shape so i say keep fighting.
Munoz and Maia are still fighting for money and their positions in the sport. Rich is already financial secure for life more than likely and probably won't make much more money than he already has...he could retire today and still be set. His position as the 2nd or third best MW ever isn't going anywhere, and he has no chance in hell at improving it, especially since he isn't fighting there anymore.

Secondly he'll be 37 the next time he fights...which is pretty damn old. He's had 35 fights on top of it, I'm pretty sure that's more than Munoz and Maia combined. Ton of injuries, been knocked out quite a few times.

He's still in shape yeah, and he could continue to fight, but there's no real reason for him to at this point. He'll never even be a top 10 fighter again, what's the point?

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