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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 08-25-2011, 09:03 PM Thread Starter
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Anderson vs Okami: Revisted

We all know what happened but what I dont understand is why the match wasnt ruled a no contest or an anderson win (by default) due to okami not being able to continue.



Remember anthony johnson/burns? aj was repeatedly hit with inadvertent (if u can call it that) eye pokes until burns got him good for the last time.AJ couldnt continue but rather than penalize burns or rule it a NC AJ lost..

Another incident that springs to mind is charles olivera/lentz (i think it was) CO throws an inadvertent illegal knee which wins him the fight but after the athletic commission reviewed it, rather than penalize olivera the fight was ruled NC


It just seems strange that AS was handed a loss for that fight when other scenarios played out different.The only fight that had a similar outcome was jones/hamil but that was just referee incompetence.So what from a technical standpoint separates silva/okami from olivera/lentz & burns/aj

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First fight was part of a tournament, they needed a winner, similar to Fedor's first loss, they needed someone to advance.

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because the rules aren't more clear and when a referee makes a decision its almost always upheld, regardless of how bad it is.
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It was an illegal move in a tournament. Since it was in a tournament someone had to lose and someone had to win. If you read the reason for the loss it was a DQ for an illegal upkick.
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It has nothing to do with being in a tournament. If Anderson did the same thing to Okami on Saturday, Okami would still be the winner by DQ.

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The blow that DQ'ed Anderson is an illegal upkick under the Unified Rules.

If you knock someone out with an illegal strike it counts as a loss...I thought this was obvious.
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The blow that DQ'ed Anderson is an illegal upkick under the Unified Rules.

If you knock someone out with an illegal strike it counts as a loss...I thought this was obvious.
So is eye poking (after multiple warnings) and knees to a down opponent accidental or not.Yet kevin burns and olivera werent DQ'd or handed loses in those fights.

Its isnt "obvious" clearly its murky and the fact no one has given a definitive answer proves as such

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It has nothing to do with being in a tournament. If Anderson did the same thing to Okami on Saturday, Okami would still be the winner by DQ.
This is correct. The tournament format was irrelevant. Every set of rules from an AC I've ever seen states that an intentional foul that ends a contest results in a DQ.

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So is eye poking (after multiple warnings) and knees to a down opponent accidental or not.Yet kevin burns and olivera werent DQ'd or handed loses in those fights.

Its isnt "obvious" clearly its murky and the fact no one has given a definitive answer proves as such
Maz didn't see the eyepoke that took Johnson down. He was on the opposite side, and ruled it a punch. The athletic commission let instant replay determine if a foul caused the bout stoppage in the future, but didn't change the result of the fight, because they didn't already have a method for overturning a referee's call with instant replay.

As for the Silva-Okami fight, Mandaloniz ruled the foul intentional, which was the correct call, since Silva obviously did intend to kick Okami in the head. ROTR was using the unified rules, which basically always say this:

The original rules out of New Jersey:

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13:46-24A.16 Injuries sustained during competition

(b) If an injury sustained during competition as a result of an intentional foul is severe enough to terminate a bout, the contestant causing the injury loses by disqualification.
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1. If the referee determines that a contest or exhibition may not continue because of an injury caused by an intentional foul, the unarmed combatant who committed the intentional foul loses by disqualification.
I tried to find Hawaii's rules, but when I was on their website, all I could find was the legal info, not the actual rules of the contest.

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Anderson lost by DQ because he intentionally threw an illegal strike that hurt Okami badly.

It had nothing to do with it being a tournament and everything with him 'not knowing' upkicks were illegal.




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Cannot wait for this fight, tomorrow night, Silva by TKO.
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