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View Poll Results: do you think he ever feels insecure?
No, GSP is a professional. he doesn't let the P4P talk get to his head 16 25.40%
I'm sure it gets to him sometimes...like what more does he have to do? 18 28.57%
It east away at his soul 3 4.76%
GSP is #1 P4P, why would he be insecure? 7 11.11%
Anderson is the real P4P..deal with it GSP 19 30.16%
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Come on man, you can't use that as a reason, Silva still won that fight. The P4P best fighter doesn't get TKO'd by Matt Sera of all people then if we're going there.
Normally I don't get into exact rankings especially for p4p but.......... You could also say that the P4P best fighter doesn't lose to Ryo Chonan of all people and by flying heel hook of all moves if you guys are counting fights from ~5 years ago.

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The key difference is Jon Jones rule the most stacked division in the ufc with the best fighters.
Uh yeah, how does he rule over the division when he does not have a single title defence yet? Remember how the "Machida Era" worked out? Oh yeah, that's right, it didn't.

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Here how it breaks down i have jones beating page and evans. U add it up page,shogun,evans...is enough to put him #2. Yell he was in the top 10 even before fighting a legit opponent.
Sure, and pretty much everyone had Machida beating Rampage even if he had a hand tied behind his back. On paper, Jones should be able to wreck eveyone at LHW with ease, the key words being "on paper". But until he cleans out his division the way Anderson and GSP have done with theirs he doesn't really belong in the P4P greats.
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Damn right he should feel insecure, he is below anderson and just above jones. If Jones gets pass rampage easily he is number 2 imo over gsp.

GSP had his chance to be p4p but he can't finish. Remember silva and him was neck and neck, silva dropped off a little after ufc 112, then silva since 117/vitor he has proved y he stands alone at number 1.

GSP is amazing no doubt but when you are so damn dominate u should be finishing guys.
No, finishing doesn't mean anything. What matters at the end of the day is who is winning fights.

You can go out there and put on a great fight, but too many great fight's that end in L's result in you not having a job. You may have a lot of fans, but are these fans gonna pay your bills? I think finishing fights is very overrated. GSP has dominated every opponent since the first Serra fight outside of Jake Shields. Anderson and Georges are equally great, and I do think Anderson is the best fighter in the world but GSP has been just as impressive as Anderson, Anderson just happens to have a bigger winning streak and is breaking records left and right.

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Ha!

The P4P best fighter doesn't get schooled for 23 straight minutes. I don't care if you finish or not.

GSP is the most dominant fighter in the UFC hands down. GSP is P4P#1 at the top all by his lonesome.
The p4p best fighter doenst go 1h 40mins with out finishing a fight. I dont care if you look dominant or not.

Anderson ****s fighters up, Gsp just touches them up.

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Normally I don't get into exact rankings especially for p4p but.......... You could also say that the P4P best fighter doesn't lose to Ryo Chonan of all people and by flying heel hook of all moves if you guys are counting fights from ~5 years ago.
Ok, lets cut it off at 7 years ago.

16 straight wins for Silva, 14 finishes.

9 straight for Gsp, 3 finishes.

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Quoting myself from another thread:

"Silva outmatrixed Griffin and had a 100% striking accuracy against Leben, talking about dominance. Also his other stoppage wins weren't flashy lucky punch KOs. He has wins via:
(T)KO - Punches
(T)KO - Kicks
KO - flying knee & punches
KO - knee
KO - Back elbow
KO - front kick & punches
Sub - Punches
Sub - rear naked choke
Sub - triangle/armbar
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Which is more different ways of winning his fights than i.e. Cain Velasquez has wins in total.

So for me Silva is #1 P4P, while St Pierre is the best strategic fighter."
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are you forgetting when he was talking about moving up fighting silva,etc, and wanting to be the Michael Jordan of MMA. All that slowed down when he could not finish sheilds and then silva front kicked vitor.

After silva, i think Jon Jones or Jose Aldo will surpass GSP on the P4p list.
I think its kind of insulting the way ppl actually perceive GSP neck and neck with silva..Silva is head ans shoulders numero uno.And GSP is a distant 2nd, not being able to finish anyone but 2 lightweights in your whole reign shouldnt garner any praise
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Ha!

The P4P best fighter doesn't get schooled for 23 straight minutes. I don't care if you finish or not.

GSP is the most dominant fighter in the UFC hands down. GSP is P4P#1 at the top all by his lonesome.
How can he be that dominant when he cant finish?

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I think you all should feel a little insecure.




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No, finishing doesn't mean anything. What matters at the end of the day is who is winning fights.
Of course does finishing mean something. A finish IS a win, while going the distance may leave a fighter to Cecil Peoples. Hence the saying "Never leave it to the judges".

What you mean is "trying" to finish, but that's not what Silva does. Silva doesn't try to finish his opponents, he just finishes his opponents.

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You can go out there and put on a great fight, but too many great fight's that end in L's result in you not having a job. You may have a lot of fans, but are these fans gonna pay your bills?
Of course, too many L's won't be in a fighter's favor, but L's are not Silva's problem so far. Going for a finish will also raise the chances for a bonus paycheck (Silva got 8 of them so far, while St. Pierre got 3)

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I think finishing fights is very overrated.
To me it's not. Apart from the reasons mentioned above, I admit that I'm old fashioned and in a combat I want a definite winner. That's something shown by a finish (even if it's a lucky punch, because fighting also means fightind the odds), while decisions all too often leave "would have"s and "could have"s.
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