i think he knows he is not #1 because he does not finish his opponents... it probably bugs him just as much as it does the fans, but he would rather play it safe and still get the win...
Damn right he should feel insecure, he is below anderson and just above jones. If Jones gets pass rampage easily he is number 2 imo over gsp.
GSP had his chance to be p4p but he can't finish. Remember silva and him was neck and neck, silva dropped off a little after ufc 112, then silva since 117/vitor he has proved y he stands alone at number 1.
GSP is amazing no doubt but when you are so damn dominate u should be finishing guys.
I don't think it bothers him because it has nothing to do with him really. He seems level headed when it comes to talks of changing weight classes, etc. I think as long as he is the #1 WW in the world, and possibly ever, that he is happy.
are you forgetting when he was talking about moving up fighting silva,etc, and wanting to be the Michael Jordan of MMA. All that slowed down when he could not finish sheilds and then silva front kicked vitor.
After silva, i think Jon Jones or Jose Aldo will surpass GSP on the P4p list.
I think GSP is matt hughes 2.0, maybe the greatest welter weight of all time and he is fundamentally sound at every aspect of mixed martial arts. But Anderson Silva transcends his division and is one of the greatest FIGHTERS of all time. He has bruttaly finished some of the greatest fighters(Belfort) as well as embarassed some very good ones(Forest. In order for GSP to be considered on andy's level he would have to loosen up his game and start finishing fighters(no more george safe pierre) or if he still wants to use the same style than he should move up a weight division because there isnt anyone left at ww for him to fight at this point.
In my P4P there is no number 1 guy. Skill wise - GSP is the best guy, list of victims - draw, match quality - i can't really decide, GSP dominates everybody in all aspects but doesn't finish fights, Anderson finishes fights but struggles with wrestlers from time to time.
Since when does finishing an opponent result in P4P status, it doesn't. I am not saying Anderson is behind GSP but just because JBJ finishes Rampage impressively doesn't mean that all of a sudden he is the #2 P4P fighter in the world.
Let him defend his title more then once and we shall see. I am a big JBJ fan so no disrespect but it's too early. GSP haters are just clamoring for GSP to move down because he hasn't finished.
Look at it this way look jbj skills and what he is doing. People say GSP is dominating but Jon Jones is finishing people without getting a scratch. His skills and what he is doing puts him over gsp imo. Don't get me wrong gsp is great but Jon Jones is on a different level from what i have seen so far. He is the hybrid of GSP and Silva.
"Silva outmatrixed Griffin and had a 100% striking accuracy against Leben, talking about dominance. Also his other stoppage wins weren't flashy lucky punch KOs. He has wins via:
(T)KO - Punches
(T)KO - Kicks
KO - flying knee & punches
KO - knee
KO - Back elbow
KO - front kick & punches
Sub - Punches
Sub - rear naked choke
Sub - triangle/armbar
+ Decisions
Which is more different ways of winning his fights than i.e. Cain Velasquez has wins in total.
So for me Silva is #1 P4P, while St Pierre is the best strategic fighter."
Sorry its not even worth debating, Silva is better in every aspect. You say struggles with wresters as if he lost to them. He hasnt.
Silva has dominated everyone, and looked better doing so. You simply cant say the same for GSP. Silva would probably retire gsp, truth be told... and im f'in Canadian.
Sorry its not even worth debating, Silva is better in every aspect. You say struggles with wresters as if he lost to them. He hasnt.
Silva has dominated everyone, and looked better doing so. You simply cant say the same for GSP. Silva would probably retire gsp, truth be told... and im f'in Canadian.
I'm getting tired of this topic, but I'll repeat myself once again:
It doesn't matter how you win, it's if you win at all or not.
It doesn't matter if GSP doesn't finish his opponents and fights safe. People just like Silva better because his style is "exciting" and "entertaining". Just because you finish your opponents doesn't NOT make you a better fighter at all! It's an incorrect notion and it's one that I'm quite frankly getting tired of hearing. I really don't understand why people are so pro-finish. Perhaps it has to do with the testosterone and estrogen contrast or something but I personally prefer a fighter who implements a gameplan rather than a fighter who goes balls to the wall.
Fighting "safe" or "exciting" should have ZERO effect on P4P rankings.
Sport > Entertainment in my opinion.
And for the record, if the two were in the same weight class, do I think GSP would win? Absolutely. Anderson Silva has been lucky enough to have never fought a submission wrestler, or a wrestler that has sub defense (Sonnen), or a wrestler that has an IQ higher than 60 (Dan Henderson). GSP has fought a range of opponents with different skills and dominated each one of them. But because he "fights safe" and "doesn't finish people" I guess he's some how less of an athlete. However, no one can dispute Silva and his UFC record or the things he's done in the Octagon. As of now though, Anderson has the better legacy.
Still cant really understand how people use the Chael fight as a negative on AS' resume.
I mean the guy had a busted rib and beat a roided up opponent, seriously no point in even going there. Its just silly to say he laid down a 'blue print' with two massive factors like these involved.
The fact that Anderson still won with these things considered, well that is remarkable.
OT, I have AS #1 and GSP #2 both miles ahead of anyone else. Aldo, Edgar or whoever are literally not even close. Although GSP doesnt show it, to hear the owner of the company admitting this has got to eat him up inside, just a lil bit
Still cant really understand how people use the Chael fight as a negative on AS' resume.
I mean the guy had a busted rib and beat a roided up opponent, seriously no point in even going there. Its just silly to say he laid down a 'blue print' with two massive factors like these involved.
The fact that Anderson still won with these things considered, well that is remarkable.
OT, I have AS #1 and GSP #2 both miles ahead of anyone else. Aldo, Edgar or whoever are literally not even close. Although GSP doesnt show it, to hear the owner of the company admitting this has got to eat him up inside, just a lil bit
I'm sure it was a well known fact that this was pretty much the only possible way to defeat Anderson.
As for defeating GSP i can't think of any way, possibly knocking him out but since he started to use that jab more often, it's very difficult to do that. + he can take down just about everybody he needs to.
Yea I guess, but then who really succeeded doing it? Travis and Hendo both got him down once, both accomplished very little on the ground (AS was very active) and in both fights AS took little damage and ended the fight conclusively.
Ok yea you can get an Olympic alternate wrestler, pump him full of roids, give AS a busted rib and you could do alright. As for any 'legal' blueprints - god knows figure that one out by yourself. I really believe Anderson's TDD is severely underrated nowadays.
Not saying that GSP has any weaknesses to exploit either - just that Anderson has achieved more in the UFC and is entitled to #1 until he should lose.
Yea I guess, but then who really succeeded doing it? Travis and Hendo both got him down once, both accomplished very little on the ground (AS was very active) and in both fights AS took little damage and ended the fight conclusively.
Ok yea you can get an Olympic alternate wrestler, pump him full of roids, give AS a busted rib and you could do alright. As for any 'legal' blueprints - god knows figure that one out by yourself. I really believe Anderson's TDD is severely underrated nowadays.
Not saying that GSP has any weaknesses to exploit either - just that Anderson has achieved more in the UFC and is entitled to #1 until he should lose.
Yep. Constantly we hear this argument that Silvas weakness is wrestlers... when the reality is hes finished every wrestler hes faced. Had each and every one of them in his guard too. Face it... Mr Anderson is strong against wrestlers.
There's no doubt that GSP is one of the best MMA fighters on the planet but he hasn't fought outside of his weight class. Anderson has...twice...and he was devastating. Anderson has also finished a lot more fights than GSP.
From January 2002, when GSP started fighting, to now, both fighters have comparable finish rates. GSP has 14 and Silva has 16. If you count Cote blowing out his knee, its 17. I wouldn't call that a lot more. I think the word is: Marginal.
Silva has 5 years of fights on GSP. Do you expect GSP to match Silvas finish rate with so many less fights?
Granted, Silva has been much more devastating of late. Im willing to give GSP thee benefit of the doubt and not assume all his fights are going to be 5 round borefests for the rest of his career.
Rationally I think it has to go to GSP because he has less holes in his game. Purely from the standpoint of who is a better fighter the one with the least holes has to be considered better, you could handpick 10 opponents for GSP and none of them would have a chance besides one big swing. Handpick 10 wrestlers for Anderson and they all have a chance, that means Anderson can't possibly be a better fighter, he has more weaknesses. This isn't to disrespect Anderson, he's amazing, he just has more holes.
I have never understood the doesn't finish fights so isn't the best of all time argument...
So if Chael had of won the fight against Silva then what? Who would be the greatest of all time?
There is more then one way to be dominant. You can finish people left and right or you can pick them apart methodically. Silva tends to be the former while GSP is the latter. Its pretty much impossible to know who is actually the best without seeing them fight, hence why so many people want to see it. GSP might be able to take Silva down and grind out a decision avoiding Silva's striking and BJJ. In which case he might not be the most exciting fighter but you would definitely have to say he is the best p4p.
P4P ranking isn't who is more exciting. It is who is the best.
Here is a concise example, Look at all of dan hardy's ufc loses condit/lytle finished him and aj (u know that guy thats been on hiatus for over a year) roughed him up pretty bad standing and on the ground.Then you compare that to how the so called p4p best fought him and you ask yourself, wait a second.. You can only make concessions for gsp so long if he cant finish diaz the only fighters he would've finished (is his reign) thus far are 2 lws
Thats not really p4p worthy anyway you slice it
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