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post #11 of 72 (permalink) Old 08-29-2011, 01:25 AM
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yeah i heard it too from the rip from trix, i think miller said it not herb

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Originally Posted by glalax View Post
This is exactly what I heard when I rewatched the incident over and over again. It clearly sounds like someone is yelling "stop" once during that onslaught, and immediatly after Palhares walks away with his hands raised.

Ofc Palhares should have waited for Dean to pull him away, but this at least explains why he thought he had won.

I really like and respect Dan Miller as a fighter and person, but I find his reaction after Palhares walks a way a bit suspicious. He gets up and walks towards the fence, his whole bodylanguage signals that he has accepted defeat. If he hadn't verbally tapped, I just cant understand why he didn't argue the "decision" or go after Palhares straight away. Only after Dean made it clear the fight wasn't over did he run over to engage.

Very tough fight though. Was hoping for Miller, and second round was painful to watch.
For all Miller knew at that time, Herb Dean may have stopped the fight. He was badly rocked and barely surviving, saw P. Harris celebrating. I'm not surprised that he was a little confused and thought it was over.
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Originally Posted by Trix View Post
Audio rip.

http://yourlisten.com/channel/conten...65/paul harris

You can hear it when the progress bar gets near the n on the yourlisten.com logo.

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I'm pretty sure that's Herb Dean yelling 'fight back!'. The 'fight' is quite soft, but the 'back' is what sounds like 'stop', that's what I think anyway - have to rewatch the fight and watch HB's lips (ooh sounds creepy).

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It was definitely "fight back". Miller wouldn't act so surprised afterwards and like I said, he's as tough as they come. Either way it doesn't matter since Toquinho got the win in the end.
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Originally Posted by Trix View Post
I'm watching it right now with the volume turned up.

Someone does say: "STOP".

You can hear it.
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I also heard "stop" when I watched this live, but I thought It was Herb. I even thought Miller was tapping with his right hand on his left shoulder, but replays proved me wrong.
Either way someone says stop and Paul stops throwing punches.

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Definitely sounds like "stop" to me aswell.
Poor guy, I feel like after all the heat he was getting for holding on to some chokes for too long (that leglock was nasty, but in the heat of the battle...), he might have just been extra cautious not to throw any unnecessary punches.

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No matter what was said it's only the Ref that decides when a fight is done, Palhares should have continued till HERB said it's time, we learnt that lesson from the last SF Challengers card that fighters don't decide on the finishing point of a fight.

Silly thing is Palhares could have pounded a few more shots and would probably have got the stoppage anyway, he just got too excited.
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Just to play devils advocate there have been instances where fighters have stopped hitting there opponent and claimed the win due to bad refs.

Scott Morris vs Pat Smith is an example.


I'd watch it on mute to save your ear drums from bleeding, also to be fair I think he was right to stop hitting him as he was definitely in no state to continue and I heard him say he would never tap or throw in the towel prior to the fight.

As for the audio clip I heard something that sounded like 'stop' around the time stated.

Also as far as Miller knew the ref may of grabbed Palhares and dragged him off so that's why he looked as if he had lost when he got up.

Finally I know ref's today are better than yesteryear
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Is it just me that can't hear anyone saying stop? Maybie I'm getting old hehe...
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