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Old 08-29-2011, 10:43 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Just to play devils advocate there have been instances where fighters have stopped hitting there opponent and claimed the win due to bad refs.

Scott Morris vs Pat Smith is an example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwtJ6vMgeyM

I'd watch it on mute to save your ear drums from bleeding, also to be fair I think he was right to stop hitting him as he was definitely in no state to continue and I heard him say he would never tap or throw in the towel prior to the fight.

As for the audio clip I heard something that sounded like 'stop' around the time stated.

Also as far as Miller knew the ref may of grabbed Palhares and dragged him off so that's why he looked as if he had lost when he got up.

Finally I know ref's today are better than yesteryear
I think Matt Brown vs Pete Sell is also a good example... Matt Brown was basically just saying "do I really need to keep going?!?"
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Old 08-29-2011, 10:45 AM   #32 (permalink)
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No way was that "stop" it was fight back. But it was loud as hell out there Im surprised you can hear anything at all
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I´m sure someone will ask Herb about it soon enough.

Anyway, i´m cringing by the comments about Toquinho understanding the meaning of "Stop".
Everybody in the f*****g world knows the meaning of Stop.
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yup, and its clear.
I don't think it is clear at all...i'll listen again b ut the quality just isn't there to say for sure what is said or who says it.
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I´ve re-watched the fight right now with the sound up there.

The only voice i can hear is Herb telling Dan to "Fight back",
besides, Dan's lips seem to not be moving at all during the beatdown.

Also, who thinks the fight should have been stopped at round 2? It was a f*****g massacre.
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Even if Herb yelled "Fight back", Palhares could have interpreted it as "stop" if he heard it badly.
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If this is true then its another piece of sh1t reffing from Herb Dean, which would not surprise me at all.
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Old 08-29-2011, 01:33 PM   #39 (permalink)
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I´ve re-watched the fight right now with the sound up there.

The only voice i can hear is Herb telling Dan to "Fight back",
besides, Dan's lips seem to not be moving at all during the beatdown.

Also, who thinks the fight should have been stopped at round 2? It was a f*****g massacre.
Yea for real, Herb is a double standards ref, he stopped the Nate/Palhares fair much less that what went down in that second round, in fact he stopped that fight for less than what Palhares gave Miller in the first round surrounding this incident, I don't trust his judgement at all, Herb is a Zuffa player and makes calls based on results the UFC wants to see, I truly believe he is on the Zuffa payroll, his reffing of late has been very suspect to raise the question is he favoring one fighter over the other.


Other examples aside from the Fedor stoppage when he could not wait to dive in there at the first opportunity, another example was the Jones/Shogun fight, I swear the gouging of the mouth and nose that Jones was puling on Shogun is illegal yet Herb let Jones get away with it, dont get me wrong I think Jones is that good a fighter he was winning that fight whatever, but Herb was on his side.

In fact I already said in another post, when you look closely at the second round, Miller was taking that beating with his eyes closed, I think he was trying to imagine he was somewhere else in order to cope with the pounding he was taking. seens to me Herb is happy to jump in and stop a fight if its the right result that the UFC wants, how he could let that continue after some of the stoppages I have seen him pull recently just proves a definite in balance in his judgement, I think he is a crooked ref on Zuffas payroll.
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Old 08-29-2011, 01:42 PM   #40 (permalink)
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I don't think covering the mouth/nose is illegal.
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