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Old 08-29-2011, 01:46 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I don't think covering the mouth/nose is illegal.
I think it comes under the rules around gouging of the face area which you will find is illegal.
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I don't think covering the mouth/nose is illegal.
nope, it's not.

it's a great tactic to disturb the breathing pattern of an opponent.
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nope, it's not.

it's a great tactic to disturb the breathing pattern of an opponent.
Gauging the face area, eyes, Noise and Mouth is illegal, if that was not gauging then what is?

There was another suspect attack in that fight that really rocked Shogun, in fact he never truly recovered from it, when Shogun was getting up at one point, Jones through a kick to the head while Shogun still had his hand on the floor, tho be it as it landed Shogun did pull his hand up but only in a reflex action in response to the kick coming straight in on his face, is a very grey area, that kick was landing if Shogun moved his hand or not and it landed hard shin to the head, rocked Shogun badly, did a lot of damage, Shogun never recovered from it in fact you could argue it was the first step leading to the TKO, Herb did not do a dam thing about it.
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gauging has alwats been illegal, but just putting your hand over an opponents mouth hasn't been.... Until 2008. I just read up on it:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3...es-made-by-abc

"They also placed a ban on using the hand to smother an opponent. The days when we see competitors laying on the ground and the only action is covering the mouth and nose will be a thing of the past."
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Gauging the face area, eyes, Noise and Mouth is illegal, if that was not gauging then what is?
Covering is not gouging, gouging is gouging.
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gauging has alwats been illegal, but just putting your hand over an opponents mouth hasn't been.... Until 2008. I just read up on it:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3...es-made-by-abc

"They also placed a ban on using the hand to smother an opponent. The days when we see competitors laying on the ground and the only action is covering the mouth and nose will be a thing of the past."
Thank YOu, I knew I was right, Rogans commentary made me question myself during the fight about that rule, its illegal pain and simple and you just found exactly when the rule was brought into force, Rogan should have known better for calling it legal but that can be forgiven as for Herb Dean he should have dam well known better been in his position, and action should be taken against him for incompetence in doing his job at the very least.
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Weird I was sure I head Rogan comment on how its a good tactic...

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You are allowed to cover the opponents mouth/nose area. I've seen it done hundreds of times and even hears Rogan comment on how it's a great way to unsettle breathing patterns.
That is BS Rogan was talking sh1t when he was saying that, he was ether unware of the rule chance that outlawed this action or was playing along trying to sell the illegal move to the public along with Herb Dean allowing this illegal action in order to give Jones an advantage,

If Rogan was unaware Herb dam well should not have been, but its there in writing just read the fuking link hellholming has posted, it was outlawed in 2008, any time since then you have seen it used like in the Jones/Shogun fight to was fcuking illegal.

Herb Dean is ether a fcuking dirty ref on Zuffas pay books or incompetent, ether way he should not be alowed back into the octagon and should be investigated for his actions.

And if he missed a verbal submission like this topic highlights that again is a fcuking unforgivable mistake and to add to the issue Miller got fcuking battered in that second round after the fight should have been over, if that is what happened Herb should never be allowed to ref again ever.

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Weird I was sure I head Rogan comment on how its a good tactic...
Rogan did say that sh1t, you can forgive a commutator but not a ref. When it boils down the ref had the power to stop it from happening, the commutator could not do a dam thing about it only make the public aware of what was happening,
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That is BS Rogan was talking sh1t when he was saying that, he was ether unware of the rule chance that outlawed this action or was playing along trying to sell the illegal move to the public along with Herb Dean allowing this illegal action in order to give Jones an advantage,

If Rogan was unaware Herb dam well should not have been, but its there in writing just read the fuking link hellholming has posted, it was outlawed in 2008, any time since then you have seen it used like in the Jones/Shogun fight to was fcuking illegal.

Herb Dean is ether a fcuking dirty ref on Zuffas pay books or incompetent, ether way he should not be alowed back into the octagon and should be investigated for his actions.

And if he missed a verbal submission like this topic highlights that again is a fcuking unforgivable mistake and to add to the issue Miller got fcuking battered in that second round after the fight should have been over, if that is what happened Herb should never be allowed to ref again ever.
That article also mentions 2 other rule changes that I didn't (still don't) think were implemented in the UFC:

"They redefined the illegal hit to the back of the head to where it protects the crown of the head down the spine in a strip with one inch on either side of the spine. That should do away with the head getting hit directly behind the ear and resulting in the loss of a point.

The downward elbow strike was re-admitted, since the rule was originally set to stop someone from elbowing in the back of the head. Now that they have a clear definition as to where the illegal blow would be they reinstated the downward elbow strike."


I'm not sure how accurate this article is. I'll look for the rules online because I would like to know for sure
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http://www.ufc.com/discover/sport/ru...regulations#15
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The following acts constitute fouls in a contest or exhibition of mixed martial arts and may result in penalties, at the discretion of thereferee, if committed:
Butting with the head
Eye gouging of any kind
Biting
Spitting at an opponent
Hair pulling
Fish hooking
Groin attacks of any kind
Putting a finger into any orifice or any cut or laceration of an opponent
Small joint manipulation
Striking downward using the point of the elbow
Striking to the spine or the back of the head
Kicking to the kidney with a heel
Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea
Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh
Grabbing the clavicle
Kicking the head of a grounded opponent
Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent
Stomping a grounded opponent
Holding the fence
Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent
Using abusive language in fenced ring/fighting area
Engaging in any unsportsmanlike conduct that causes injury to an opponent
Attacking an opponent on or during the break
Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee
Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the round
Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury
Throwing opponent out of ring/fighting area
Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of the referee
Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck
Interference by the corner
Applying any foreign substance to the hair or body to gain an advantage"

I don't see "covering the mouth"

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Covering the mouth is 100% legal. It's been done numerous times without any type of warning or penalty. Also, like mentioned above, it is not seen anywhere in the rules.

Find me a source that shows otherwise.
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