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i dont care about this right now we are not even in spring yet, all i say is after gsp is uncomfortable with diaz beating him up on the feet hes gonna go for the takedown, and hes gonna get it, but when he does do that he's gonna get kimura gripped and swept and be on the bottom or stood back up like every one of diaz' opponents


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Nick Diaz's rise is largely due to his fighting in a second tier national organization; the SF WW division is not exactly loaded.

Look for GSP to have his way with Nick Diaz.
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I don't get all the hate for GSP either. He fights save. Sure he does, because he's got ALL THE TOOLS necessary to do so. He's such a well-rounded fighter that he can fight everywhere the fight goes, but why should he strike against strikers (which he also did) or wrestle guys like Koscheck, when he can just jab his face in all day long.
People keep talking about how he got ko'd by Serra. Well guess what, that was 2007. Diaz got KO'd by K.J. f**ing Noons around that time.
Diaz did strike with Daley and it almost cost him. The only reason he survived was his chin, and I respect him for it. But Diaz also isn't the brightest star on the planet. GSP is very calculated, seems like an intelligent guy and doesn't take unneccessary risks. He's still years ahead of Diaz and he's been fighting superior competition during the last years.
IMO Kos, Fitch and even Condit would all beat Diaz.

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I don't get all the hate for GSP either. He fights save. Sure he does, because he's got ALL THE TOOLS necessary to do so. He's such a well-rounded fighter that he can fight everywhere the fight goes, but why should he strike against strikers (which he also did) or wrestle guys like Koscheck, when he can just jab his face in all day long.
People keep talking about how he got ko'd by Serra. Well guess what, that was 2007. Diaz got KO'd by K.J. f**ing Noons around that time.
Diaz did strike with Daley and it almost cost him. The only reason he survived was his chin, and I respect him for it. But Diaz also isn't the brightest star on the planet. GSP is very calculated, seems like an intelligent guy and doesn't take unneccessary risks. He's still years ahead of Diaz and he's been fighting superior competition during the last years.
IMO Kos, Fitch and even Condit would all beat Diaz.
im sorry but noons never KO'd diaz so you should revise that one


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im sorry but noons never KO'd diaz so you should revise that one
checks wiki. (TKO CUTS)
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Ok I've got to admit, I only saw their second fight and knew their first fight was stopped in favour of Noons.
Was it a close fight?

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Ok I've got to admit, I only saw their second fight and knew their first fight was stopped in favour of Noons.
Was it a close fight?
well it only went 1 round and then everyone got pissed when the doctor stopped it for cuts, but i gave noons the round but not by a lot, diaz i think would have won and defiantly wouldn't have gotten stopped, and i think he's old stint in the ufc was marred by horrible decisions, just watched joe riggs vs diaz, diaz easily won that and they gave it to riggs who got dropped too, and i think he beat parisyian and i thought he beat sherk too. the only legit loss in the ufc was his loss to sanchez which was also a close fight, which is why he complains about those old decisions in the ufc


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GSP is amazing at everything. His stand up is crisp and technical, and adds in a bit of flash with some of his kicks. His jits is very solid, good offence and brilliant defence. His wrestling is second to none in MMA.

The best thing he does however is putting it all together. No other fighter transitions from stand up to a take down and moulds BJJ with offensive wrestling together like GSP. He is fluid, and near perfect technique with everything.

That, as much as it makes him one of the p4p greats and near unstoppable, also holds him back. He is very robotic, fighting pure technique and seems to completely ignore instinct (this is my opinion on watching him fight). If he followed his instincts in fights I have no doubt he'd of finished Kos and Shields. He just doesn't though, he keeps it all tight and perfect and little room for risk.

I'm not critisising him here, it's just how I view him. I think he'll absolutely demolish Diaz inside 4 rounds, probably ending with stoppage due to cuts. GSP makes everyone's face not named BJ Penn look like he's attacked them with scissors, and Diaz cuts easily.

I honestly think this will be the best showing from GSP in years, he'll do it all. Beat Diaz up on the feet, take him down, bloody him and beat him into the canvas until the doctors step in.






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well it only went 1 round and then everyone got pissed when the doctor stopped it for cuts, but i gave noons the round but not by a lot, diaz i think would have won and defiantly wouldn't have gotten stopped, and i think he's old stint in the ufc was marred by horrible decisions, just watched joe riggs vs diaz, diaz easily won that and they gave it to riggs who got dropped too, and i think he beat parisyian and i thought he beat sherk too. the only legit loss in the ufc was his loss to sanchez which was also a close fight, which is why he complains about those old decisions in the ufc
I need to rewatch some of the Diaz fights then. Still, I highly doubt Diaz is strong enough to submit GSP off his back. The way I see the fight going is Diaz taunting GSP like he usually does, then getting in his face. He will keep the pressure high and GSP will take him down. From that point on, I just don't see Diaz submitting GSP. GSP's sub defense is excellent at this point and he's strong.

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GSP is amazing at everything. His stand up is crisp and technical, and adds in a bit of flash with some of his kicks. His jits is very solid, good offence and brilliant defence. His wrestling is second to none in MMA.

The best thing he does however is putting it all together. No other fighter transitions from stand up to a take down and moulds BJJ with offensive wrestling together like GSP. He is fluid, and near perfect technique with everything.

That, as much as it makes him one of the p4p greats and near unstoppable, also holds him back. He is very robotic, fighting pure technique and seems to completely ignore instinct (this is my opinion on watching him fight). If he followed his instincts in fights I have no doubt he'd of finished Kos and Shields. He just doesn't though, he keeps it all tight and perfect and little room for risk.

I'm not critisising him here, it's just how I view him. I think he'll absolutely demolish Diaz inside 4 rounds, probably ending with stoppage due to cuts. GSP makes everyone's face not named BJ Penn look like he's attacked them with scissors, and Diaz cuts easily.

I honestly think this will be the best showing from GSP in years, he'll do it all. Beat Diaz up on the feet, take him down, bloody him and beat him into the canvas until the doctors step in.
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I need to rewatch some of the Diaz fights then. Still, I highly doubt Diaz is strong enough to submit GSP off his back. The way I see the fight going is Diaz taunting GSP like he usually does, then getting in his face. He will keep the pressure high and GSP will take him down. From that point on, I just don't see Diaz submitting GSP. GSP's sub defense is excellent at this point and he's strong.
you know who else has great sub defense and the best sub defense in the whole UFC? sean sherk, and sean was petrified going to the ground with diaz in their fight and was getting swept and nearly subbed multiple times so he couldnt lay and pray and he lost the striking battle too. i dont think matt hughes had better jitz than diaz in 05 i think it was when he subbed gsp so its not impossible. i could see an armbar from the bottom, a kimura from the bottom or a sweep and sub from the top from diaz, i could also see a diaz KO if theres enough time standing


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you know who else has great sub defense and the best sub defense in the whole UFC? sean sherk, and sean was petrified going to the ground with diaz in their fight and was getting swept and nearly subbed multiple times so he couldnt lay and pray and he lost the striking battle too. i dont think matt hughes had better jitz than diaz in 05 i think it was when he subbed gsp so its not impossible. i could see an armbar from the bottom, a kimura from the bottom or a sweep and sub from the top from diaz, i could also see a diaz KO if theres enough time standing
Sherk the best defence in the UFC? He may of never been subbed before but I think that's a pretty bold statement.

GSP went into the Hughes fight in absolute awe of Matt, he was facing his idol and was near frozen with nerves. GSP also came back to KO and sub him in their subsequent meetings.

One thing is 100%, GSP's sub defence and overall game is light yars beyond GSP in 2005.

I'll happily member bet/sig bet on this fight if you don't already have a bet going. GSP walks all over Diaz in every aspect of MMA.






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