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Old 09-23-2011, 04:30 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I think Cain is the only fighter that could challenge Jones atm imo and even in that fight i would pick Jones. I think Cain would have slightly better wrestling, but jones would be good enough to keep it standing anyway and i see Jones winning the striking battle. but other than that Jones destroys everyone.
I can dig that, but i can't see jones beating a guy like lesnar. I know lesnar a weak ass striker but his size would be to much. For example rampage is a big dude but is tiny when he is next to kongo. Scary part is kongo is nowhere near lesnar's size.
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Old 09-23-2011, 04:49 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I can dig that, but i can't see jones beating a guy like lesnar. I know lesnar a weak ass striker but his size would be to much. For example rampage is a big dude but is tiny when he is next to kongo. Scary part is kongo is nowhere near lesnar's size.
Jones is 6'4" with the longest reach in the UFC, so if he moved to HW, I see him weighing around 250lbs and still been in amazing condition and incredibly strong. Lesnars "MMA" wrestling has pretty much been proven to be quite poor(compared to the best), Cain didnt have a problem at all with him and i would rate Jones wrestling near enough on the same level. Even if Lesnar managed to get jones down,i think he would make Lesnar work very hard even from the top and that when Jones condition would prevail, he maybe even be able to get a sub from his back, who knows?

Jones has shown nothing but perfection and total destruction in all of his fights, something that even GSP and Anderson haven't been able to do and i just cant see how anyone is going to test him at this point in time.
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Jones is 6'4" with the longest reach in the UFC, so if he moved to HW, I see him weighing around 250lbs and still been in amazing condition and incredibly strong. Lesnars "MMA" wrestling has pretty much been proven to be quite poor(compared to the best), Cain didnt have a problem at all with him and i would rate Jones wrestling near enough on the same level. Even if Lesnar managed to get jones down,i think he would make Lesnar work very hard even from the top and that when Jones condition would prevail, he maybe even be able to get a sub from his back, who knows?

Jones has shown nothing but perfection and total destruction in all of his fights, something that even GSP and Anderson haven't been able to do and i just cant see how anyone is going to test him at this point in time.
I'm going to say Jones would lose much of his speed, mobility and cardio if he went up to 250, he tired badly in the 3rd round against Bonnar.

While not a Lesanr fan his top game is death to just about anyone, he controlled Mir easily from the top, avoided submissions and easily smashed Mir (and that was years ago), Jones is what a blue belt? BJJ Mir > Jones all day.
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All this hw comparisons are bull****. Jones filled out at ~245/250, would be top 3 or 4. Shane carwin gets the jds treatment, no problem. Mir wont touch him. Only people that have a chance would be brock, cain, cormier, and reem. I know your wondering "what about jds", Jds vs bones would definately not be competitive. He wouldnt have the speed advantage nor the striking advantage as he does against other heavyweights. Jones would get jds down, and probably outstrike jds purely based on range alone. Cain, Brock, and cormier are jones biggest threats because they wont clinch with him, will eat his punches (yes brock will eat jones' punches), and will shoot and get him down.

Now when jones moves to HW, that can all be a different story, but at this point in time... No. I am actually a big jones fan i just cant seem him beating these 3 guys at this moment.
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At LHW, possibly Evans, Machida.

At HW, the entire top 10. He's a skinny, lanky, undersized guy for HW, and if he moved to HW on Sunday, he'd get tooled by just about everyone up there who's decently well rounded.
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Jones' biggest threat at HW will be his own cardio if he puts on some 40lbs of muscle mass (huge oxygen consumer) and doesn't change his (high energy) fighting style significantly.

I'd like to see him make a short temporary move up in weight class (like Silva against Irvin and Griffin) to see how he moves there before I'd judge a permanent move.

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I thought about this and honestly could not come up with much.

For LHW I think I would favor Rashad Evans and if Anderson moved up I would favor him. Other than that I see Machida, Hendo, and Rampage being competitive with him to an extent, but do not think they could beat him.

If Jones moved to HW: I would favor Cain and JDS against Jones. Other than that I think fights with Overeem, Lesnar, Carwin, Barnett, Cormier and Mir could be interesting, but I would pick Jones to beat them all.

Im not even a big fan of Jon Jones so this opinion is by no way bias.

At his young age Jones is surely a big talent.

What are your thoughts?

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At 205 I wouldn't favor anyone over him, including Anderson if he moved up.

At HW, assuming JBJ packed on some weight and walked in at 240+lbs, I'd have him even money vs. Cain and JDS and favored against everyone else. If he tried to fight HW at 220, he'd get pushed around by half a dozen guys.
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I think most of the guys who can punch in the HW division know the how-to-beat-Brock formula: throw a punch, when he shuts his eyes and looks at the ground, pop him with uppercuts until he goes into full turtle mode, then just start to tee off.
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Old 09-23-2011, 07:47 PM   #29 (permalink)
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I wouldn't favor any fighter in any division against Jones. I'd put Jones at around -130 for Velasquez and -150 for JDS, provided Jones bulked up to fight at HW.

If I had to pick a fighter at LHW to beat Jones it would be Machida. In a few years Gustafsson could challenge him, but only if he continues to improve at a pretty high rate.
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Old 09-23-2011, 07:51 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Wow the JBJ delusion has grown to a whole 'nother level. The Kid's had 14 fights for christ's sake, and yes they were dominating wins, but with exception of Shogun (who many argue wasn't top form) ad Bader (who's rank was inflated), he has beaten a bunch of nobodies.

He gets away with a lot of rookie mistakes because of his athleticism and reach, and because his frame allows him to overpower everyone else. This is worse than the dot com bubble and we all know what happens to bubbles. Allow him to have a few or even one title defense before you claim that he will beat the majority of HW's.

Going to out wrestle Cain? LMAO, out strike JDS? LMAO, survive an dangerous BJJ artist on the ground? Please. I saw the same thing happen with Machida, there were people here claiming he would be able to dominate HW's like Brock. That bubble burst real quick.

No doubt he has a load of potential and will get better, as of right now lets have a reality check.
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