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post #11 of 47 (permalink) Old 10-14-2011, 10:53 AM
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If Rampage can take Bones into 4 rounds, using a completely one dimensional strategy, I would say that gives Machida hope.

Rampage didnt do a thing but try to get inside and punch. Thats all Bones had to worry about. And it still went to the 4th. Machida has a much more varied offence. Theres every chance he can test Jones at various points in the fight.
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I don't believe you can ever count out any of the top 10 LHW. I think JBJ has to be favored over all of them, but each one has a unique set of skills that does seem to vary quite a bit. I'm not counting Lyoto out, but I have a hard time Lyoto has ever faced anyone with as much as a reach advantage as JBJ will have on him. So far that reach seems to bother a lot of people.
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If Rampage can take Bones into 4 rounds, using a completely one dimensional strategy, I would say that gives Machida hope.

Rampage didnt do a thing but try to get inside and punch. Thats all Bones had to worry about. And it still went to the 4th. Machida has a much more varied offence. Theres every chance he can test Jones at various points in the fight.
Let me ask it this way: Did Rampage take JBJ to the 4th or did JBJ allow it to get to the 4th? The same way BJ allowed the Florian fight to go on so long and then finished it when he wanted to.

P.S. Actually asking, not making the accusation.
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Rampage has one of the strongest upper bodies in the LHW division, if JBJ get a hold of anyone else like he did to Rampage earlier in the fight, they are going down. Rampage avoided a lot of his throws and that is why it went on as far as it did.

Its also extremely hard to finish Rampage and if you knew that, you wouldn't be making that statement.
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Rampage has one of the strongest upper bodies in the LHW division, if JBJ get a hold of anyone else like he did to Rampage earlier in the fight, they are going down. Rampage avoided a lot of his throws and that is why it went on as far as it did.

Its also extremely hard to finish Rampage and if you knew that, you wouldn't be making that statement.
Prior to his loss to JBJ, if Rampage was finished in 4 of his 8 losses. The stats do not back up your claim. Rampage does have great survivability that allows him to recover from a bad spot though. So my question does still stand.
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Prior to his loss to JBJ, if Rampage was finished in 4 of his 8 losses. The stats do not back up your claim. Rampage does have great survivability that allows him to recover from a bad spot though. So my question does still stand.
You're looking too far back and my statement wasn't even regarded to you but the first person who brought this up.

Fact is that Rampage hasn't been stopped ever since he came into the UFC, and the rules and cage help this. The last time he was stopped was by Shogun due to soccer kicks, that'll never happen again and I really doubt Shogun would be able to stop Rampage in the UFC.

Rampage is the hardest fighter to stop at LHW and if you can't agree with this then you haven't been watching enough.
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You're looking too far back and my statement wasn't even regarded to you but the first person who brought this up.

Fact is that Rampage hasn't been stopped ever since he came into the UFC, and the rules and cage help this. The last time he was stopped was by Shogun due to soccer kicks, that'll never happen again and I really doubt Shogun would be able to stop Rampage in the UFC.

Rampage is the hardest fighter to stop at LHW and if you can't agree with this then you haven't been watching enough.
True, the rule will prevent soccer kicks, but what about the knees to the face that Wandy gave him? Technically if we are looking at it by stats, JBJ is the hardest guy to stop at LHW as it has never been done, second would be Lyoto and Rashad. I have been watching plenty of MMA, including a lot of Rampage's old Pride fights where I would argue he looked his best.

I asked the question because upon rewatch it looked like JBJ wanted to fight during the first 2 rounds and it wasn't until the 3rd he started looking for a way to finish, but I wanted to see if others saw the same thing or something different.
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True, the rule will prevent soccer kicks, but what about the knees to the face that Wandy gave him? Technically if we are looking at it by stats, JBJ is the hardest guy to stop at LHW as it has never been done, second would be Lyoto and Rashad. I have been watching plenty of MMA, including a lot of Rampage's old Pride fights where I would argue he looked his best.

I asked the question because upon rewatch it looked like JBJ wanted to fight during the first 2 rounds and it wasn't until the 3rd he started looking for a way to finish, but I wanted to see if others saw the same thing or something different.
Knees by Wanderlei were an accumulation of events that lead to the KO, kicks to the head on the ground and whatnot. The second fight between them was cleaner but I still think it wouldn't happen in the UFC. Rampage could put his back easily against the cage and posture up but its harder to do in Pride because you can't use the ropes for support.

I'm not trying to make excuses for those knockouts but I just think that it would be impossible to replicate in the UFC. The third fight kind of proved that.

JBJ hardest to stop? nope. How can you say this if he has yet to be truly tested and put in difficult situations. That's like saying GSP is the hardest to stop at WW and yet he dictates the fight and is never is a bad spot. I'd say Fitch is the hardest to stop at WW. Just because a fighter doesn't take damage and controls the fight, I wouldn't say they are the hardest to stop.

Both Machida and Rashad have been knocked out more recently and Rashad has been dropped plenty of times before. I would easily rank Rampage ahead of them.
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Let me ask it this way: Did Rampage take JBJ to the 4th or did JBJ allow it to get to the 4th? The same way BJ allowed the Florian fight to go on so long and then finished it when he wanted to.

P.S. Actually asking, not making the accusation.
I've wondered this as well. Also makes me wonder if perhaps Jones and Greg Jackson are looking at the Shogun/Machida 2 fight and thinking that overwhelming Lyoto quickly may be a good strategy.
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I'll say that I think Lyoto has a better chance than 'Page did simply because Lyoto has more ways to win than did 'Page.

This, for me at any rate, is a very, very interesting fight.

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