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Old 10-17-2011, 07:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Why is kos so underrated

Kos in my opinion is the most underrated fighter on the planet. He has the best wrestling at ww weight Proven in the gsp fight. Gsp was only able to land takedowns in the late rounds and still wasn't able to hold kos down.
And I know he doesn't have the most well rounded striking but he does have some major power. So to close this out I think if kos just went back to using his wrestling he would be considered the 2nd best ww
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I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous. I'm not trying to take away from KOS's collegiate accomplishments, but GSP has out-wrestled him in both fights.

In the first fight KOS was the supposed better wrestler, and GSP had 2 takedowns, KOS had 1. GSP had 3 passes, KOS had 0. GSP had 5 sub attemps, KOS had 0.

In the second fight KOS had supposedly worked on his standup, and his big right hand was going to cause GSP problems. GSP broke KOS's orbital bone with a jab, and had 4 takedowns to KOS's 1. Koscheck's face looked like a trainwreck -- I was glimmering with joy to see his face mangled after he talked to much trash on TUF.

I'm not sure what eyes you were watching the GSP/KOS fights thru, GSP dominated him in both.

I'm starting to think this is a troll thread...

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Old 10-17-2011, 08:01 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Kos with a broken orbital was able to stuff all but 1 of his takedowns until the 3 round where I believe he just quit and imagine if he trained his wrestling for that fight
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Kos with a broken orbital was able to stuff all but 1 of his takedowns until the 3 round where I believe he just quit and imagine if he trained his wrestling for that fight
1. Yea, GSP is pretty good at breaking his opponents down mentally.

2. Then GSP would have had a lot less to worry about when it came to KOS's striking. The first M (MMA) stands for mixed, just so you know. Fact still remains that in the first fight GSP out-wrestled the wrestler. In the second fight, many thought KOS had the edge in the standup, and GSP made him look silly in the standup.

Make up all the excuses you want, GSP out wrestled him in both fights.

Funny thing is GSP has taken so much heat for not finishing lately, but lets break down his last 4 fights

1. Got poked in the eye in round 3 vs Shields, and still won in dominant fashion, when he clearly couldn't find his range in the last 2 rounds.

2. Broke KOS orbital bone with a jab. Still have no idea how the fight wasn't stopped in the latter rounds by the doctor.

3. Nearly ripped off Hardy's arm. No idea how Hardy didn't tap. Dominated the entire fight.

4. Tore his abductor vs #1 contender Alves.

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Old 10-17-2011, 08:57 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Kos is a fringe top 5 WW, and likely won't ever improve beyond that.

He has the *second* best wrasslin' in the division, but his technical striking is just awful. He has good, but not exceptional power, and an average chin.

Matt Hughes was outstriking him badly until he got hit....
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Kos with a broken orbital was able to stuff all but 1 of his takedowns until the 3 round where I believe he just quit and imagine if he trained his wrestling for that fight
So you think Kos went into a championship bout with one of the best if not the best wrestler in the division without training his wrestling?!?!?!?!
ORRRRRRRRRRRRRRR maybe Gsp is just a better mma wrestler?
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Old 10-17-2011, 10:47 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Well most of it has to do with the division he's in, lets face it WW's are disrespected across the board. Any other division with as many perennial ranked fighters you would have massive fan bases. But GSP, BJ, Fitch, and Koscheck are fairly ignored and disrespected by the main-stream fandom. I see bigger fan bases in every other division but WW and it's a real shame because I think the WW division is the deepest and most technically sound division in MMA.
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If he went back to his wrestling more he might be the second best WW. I think he is a bad matchup for Fitch and wins that fight 99 out of 100 times and I would give him a 50/50 shot of beating Kampmann and Ellenberger. It seems like he hit a wall though skill wise somehow and isn't getting better. He should probably change camps and get some fresh trainers and sparring partners.
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troll thread is troll, especially when you said he had the best wrestling in the division lol GSP begs to differ, he'll probably do better now that he is a mw
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Funny thing is GSP has taken so much heat for not finishing lately, but lets break down his last 4 fights

1. Got poked in the eye in round 3 vs Shields, and still won in dominant fashion, when he clearly couldn't find his range in the last 2 rounds.

2. Broke KOS orbital bone with a jab. Still have no idea how the fight wasn't stopped in the latter rounds by the doctor.

3. Nearly ripped off Hardy's arm. No idea how Hardy didn't tap. Dominated the entire fight.

4. Tore his abductor vs #1 contender Alves.
1. He wasn't finishing anything with the striking he was displaying prior to pillow hands gouging out his eyes with girl slaps.

2. He was fighting a man with no depth perception and didn't go for the kill. A broken orbital bone is a fluke injury people need to stop acting like GSP's jab could split a mountain in half.

3. He used poor technique that allowed Hardy to escape and mostly just gained and lost halfguard that entire fight.

4. This is the last fight GSP had where he didn't half ass trying to beat down his opponent. Alves is ridiculously hard to stop though so it didn't matter.

GSP only tries to put vicious beatings on his best opponents(Fitch, Penn, Alves) because it is dangerous to let them hang around. He mails it in against the guys who didn't deserve title shots like Hardy and Shields.
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