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Old 02-28-2007, 05:59 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I could give a shit about both fighters.


Tito built his comeback trail strictly on 2 wins over Ken ****ing Shamrock. I'm frankly just sick of Tito Ortiz being on the card. He hasent had one exciting fight since coming back, and yes, that includes Liddell/Ortiz II.

And Keith Jardine is an average fighter in a weak division. Regardless who wins, I won't give a shit about either one. If Tito wins, great for him, put him up against a real quality opponent he stands no threat. If Jardine wins, it basically guarentees him a title shot, where he'll either be power bombed or power driven by Rampage or KTFO by Chuck Liddell. Take your pick.
Liddell, Rampage, Tito, Babalu, Evans, Bisping, Griffin... really weak division
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Old 02-28-2007, 06:11 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Liddell, Rampage, Tito, Babalu, Evans, Bisping, Griffin... really weak division
Griffin? I think it's funny how you listed Griffin and not Lyoto.

Bisping is an animal but give him about another year and I'd look for him to be a champ some day, and despite his "lack of competition" so to speak, Rashad has great potential, I don't dog him like most of the others on here, so if anything he'd be ranked #4 as far as the LHWs are concerned.

Ortiz should just fade away because the guy basically provides nothing for entertainment besides running his mouth and as for Babalu, his ground skills are good but would pose no threat to Chuck (as we've seen) and Rampage.

Basically, Chuck and Rampage are your only elite fighters in the LHW division with Lyoto hanging up there and Bisping and Rashad for future references, and before it was only Chuck. So yeah, weak division.

You also forgot Sean Salmon, fear the crane kick.
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Old 02-28-2007, 07:25 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Old 02-28-2007, 09:19 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Griffin? I think it's funny how you listed Griffin and not Lyoto.

Bisping is an animal but give him about another year and I'd look for him to be a champ some day, and despite his "lack of competition" so to speak, Rashad has great potential, I don't dog him like most of the others on here, so if anything he'd be ranked #4 as far as the LHWs are concerned.

Ortiz should just fade away because the guy basically provides nothing for entertainment besides running his mouth and as for Babalu, his ground skills are good but would pose no threat to Chuck (as we've seen) and Rampage.

Basically, Chuck and Rampage are your only elite fighters in the LHW division with Lyoto hanging up there and Bisping and Rashad for future references, and before it was only Chuck. So yeah, weak division.

You also forgot Sean Salmon, fear the crane kick.
Tito can pound the sh-i out 90% LHW division and you think he should fade away..? He's still one of the best LH in the UFC right now. He'll be around for a while so get used to it.

I really like Jardine but think Tito will take this one.
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Old 02-28-2007, 09:27 AM   #25 (permalink)
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I hate all the "weak 205 division" comments, lets face it fighters Make fights, what is needed is better matchups, fighters can and will sometimes negate each other for many reasons e.g T. Silvia appears gun shy and thats more than likely to his fights with Arlovski, You Will notice Sylvia improve with more fights either that or he withers away( i know sylvia etc is a heavyweight but i think you get what i mean).
Jardine isnt weak, ok his ground game is lacking compared to some but his standup is ok especially compared to Ortiz, once we see more wars and heart i believe peoples opinions about the 205 division will improve.
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I'm kind of dissappointed that Rashad isn't facing Tito. Considering the man won the TUF compitition, has a six figure contract, plowed threw everybody that was in his way, you think he be facing some serious compitition by now. It didn't even take Forrest this long to get a shot at Tito.

Oh and Jardine will get molested at UFC 71.
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no use *****ing about this, Tito is the gate keeper to chuck. To get your title shot your going to have to go through him (unless your rampage).

This is a result of Jardines smashing of Griffon. Good to see, great match up!
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Old 02-28-2007, 11:29 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Look. For those of you who think Tito will beat Jardine's ass through the canvas, this is the matchup on paper.

Tito Ortiz
15-5-0
Height: 6'2
Weight: 205
Style: wrestling
Losses: 3 of his losses are via strikes, 1 via guillotine and 1 via decision.

Keith Jardine
12-2-1
Height: 6'2
Weight: 205
Style: Brawling with a side of submission fighting
Losses: 1 via TKO and 1 via decision.

On paper, this is a pretty even fight.

Consider this:

Jardine is currently training with Greg Jackson's Submission Fighting camp. Tito is training where he has always trained, with Punishment.

Jardine has better quality training partners and, in my opinion, better coaching in Greg Jackson.

If you are going to count Jardine out of this fight you should remember that Tito barely beat Griffin (I scored the decision the other way, personally) and we all saw what Jardine did to him.

Keith might be on the rise and Tito might be losing it. You never know.

Either way, it'll be an interesting fight.

I'm going to bet on Jardine, just because there are better odds, but it could go either way.
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Old 02-28-2007, 02:22 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Look. For those of you who think Tito will beat Jardine's ass through the canvas, this is the matchup on paper.

Tito Ortiz
15-5-0
Height: 6'2
Weight: 205
Style: wrestling
Losses: 3 of his losses are via strikes, 1 via guillotine and 1 via decision.

Keith Jardine
12-2-1
Height: 6'2
Weight: 205
Style: Brawling with a side of submission fighting
Losses: 1 via TKO and 1 via decision.

On paper, this is a pretty even fight.

Consider this:

Jardine is currently training with Greg Jackson's Submission Fighting camp. Tito is training where he has always trained, with Punishment.

Jardine has better quality training partners and, in my opinion, better coaching in Greg Jackson.

If you are going to count Jardine out of this fight you should remember that Tito barely beat Griffin (I scored the decision the other way, personally) and we all saw what Jardine did to him.

Keith might be on the rise and Tito might be losing it. You never know.

Either way, it'll be an interesting fight.

I'm going to bet on Jardine, just because there are better odds, but it could go either way.
Well if you watch the first round of Tito/Griffin fight Tito was pounding Griffin pretty bad. I will agree that he came back in the last two rounds but wasn't Tito injured..? Either way this will be a good fight!
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Old 02-28-2007, 05:13 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Look. For those of you who think Tito will beat Jardine's ass through the canvas, this is the matchup on paper.

Tito Ortiz
15-5-0
Height: 6'2
Weight: 205
Style: wrestling
Losses: 3 of his losses are via strikes, 1 via guillotine and 1 via decision.

Keith Jardine
12-2-1
Height: 6'2
Weight: 205
Style: Brawling with a side of submission fighting
Losses: 1 via TKO and 1 via decision.

On paper, this is a pretty even fight.

Consider this:

Jardine is currently training with Greg Jackson's Submission Fighting camp. Tito is training where he has always trained, with Punishment.

Jardine has better quality training partners and, in my opinion, better coaching in Greg Jackson.

If you are going to count Jardine out of this fight you should remember that Tito barely beat Griffin (I scored the decision the other way, personally) and we all saw what Jardine did to him.

Keith might be on the rise and Tito might be losing it. You never know.

Either way, it'll be an interesting fight.

I'm going to bet on Jardine, just because there are better odds, but it could go either way.
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