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Old 11-16-2011, 04:07 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Top 5 currently in the UFC for me is:

1. JDS
2. Cain
3. Lesnar
4. Carwin
5. Overeem

For me, Overeem loses to Brock, and would get kncked out off Carwin. Even though Carwin has a questionable gas tank, so does Reem and he has shown that he isnt the best at taking a punch.

Brock Wrestles him and grinds him down on the floor and wins a UD or by late stoppage.
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Old 11-16-2011, 04:27 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Bas can put whatever sob story he wants on it but the fact remains that 35% or even 30% is HIGHWAY ROBBERY for "managing" someone. They do almost no real work, most of that is the training camp which is getting less than a third of the money and even that is far too much for training costs when you're earning 100K+.

Still, Brock will probably smash him and then these douches will come out with their I told you sos.
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Bas can put whatever sob story he wants on it but the fact remains that 35% or even 30% is HIGHWAY ROBBERY for "managing" someone. They do almost no real work, most of that is the training camp which is getting less than a third of the money and even that is far too much for training costs when you're earning 100K+.
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I sure as hell wouldn't want my manager and trainer to have 30% of every million I earn.
The 30% is not only management fees according to Mr Rutten, but also agent and lawyer fees, and probably some other fees, like gym and trainer fees.

It is a sad commentary on society, greed and loyalty when people are still defending Mr Overeem after reading that interview - assuming it's accurate of course.
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Old 11-16-2011, 05:00 AM   #25 (permalink)
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The 30% is not only management fees according to Mr Rutten, but also agent and lawyer fees, and probably some other fees, like gym and trainer fees.

It is a sad commentary on society, greed and loyalty when people are still defending Mr Overeem after reading that interview - assuming it's accurate of course.
This is reality, not some fairy tale. In reality 30% is too much for management, agents, lawyers and trainers. Lawyers and trainers don't get a percentage in the first place, they charge fixed fees and get paid by the hour like everyone else. It's absurd for a trainer to get 10% of the fighter's purse.

It's not like Overeem is the only fighter having problems with Golden Glory. Saki left Golden Glory the same day. Overeem, Aerts, Le Banner and Saki to this day have not even been paid for their recent K-1 fights.
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Though to be real it's going to be

1. JDS
2. Winner of Barnett/Cormier
3. Cain
4. Winner of Lesnar/Overeem
5. Barnett if he loses, Mir if he wins
6. Mir or Lesnar if he loses
7. Cormier if he loses Carwin if not
8. Carwin or Overeem if he loses
9. Overeem or by default Antonio Silva
10. Mike Russow

How can you have Mike Russow on this list, id struggle to put him on a top 20. He would be behind Roy Nelson, Kongo, meat head, Nog, Schaub and probably Travis Browne. He's only really beat Duffee (after getting beat round the octagon for 3 rounds) and Madson (via cut stoppage I think)

My list at the moment:

1. Rob Emerson
2. JDS
3. Cain
4. Brock
5. Overeem
6. Barnett
7. Carwin
8. Cormier
9. Mir
10 Nelson

then you got your Khartirovs, Silva's, Kongo's etc
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How can you have Mike Russow on this list, id struggle to put him on a top 20. He would be behind Roy Nelson, Kongo, meat head, Nog, Schaub and probably Travis Browne. He's only really beat Duffee (after getting beat round the octagon for 3 rounds) and Madson (via cut stoppage I think)

My list at the moment:

1. Rob Emerson
2. JDS
3. Cain
4. Brock
5. Overeem
6. Barnett
7. Carwin
8. Cormier
9. Mir
10 Nelson

then you got your Khartirovs, Silva's, Kongo's etc
1. Kharitorov hasn't been and likely won't be signed

2. I have Silva ahead of Russow at 9

3. Roy Nelson is 3-4 in his last seven, Nog is 2-2, Schaub just got KO'd Mitrione and Kongo just gave a fight that proves that neither deserves to be in the top ten.

4. By the time Strikeforce folds itself into the UFC Russow will have won 11 or 12 fights in a row and at 16-1 should get a top fight.

5. I can see giving Travis Browne the 10th spot but I think he's going to lose his next fight.
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Management and agencies differ from one another, but 10% would be huge. Thirty percent is unheard of unless of course you have the initials D.K. or B.A.

Either way they should have worked out a compromise.
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The 30% is not only management fees according to Mr Rutten, but also agent and lawyer fees, and probably some other fees, like gym and trainer fees.

It is a sad commentary on society, greed and loyalty when people are still defending Mr Overeem after reading that interview - assuming it's accurate of course.


Amen on that!
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Old 11-16-2011, 06:20 AM   #30 (permalink)
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The 30% is not only management fees according to Mr Rutten, but also agent and lawyer fees, and probably some other fees, like gym and trainer fees.

It is a sad commentary on society, greed and loyalty when people are still defending Mr Overeem after reading that interview - assuming it's accurate of course.
No read carefully, Bas is saying that in his OWN case he has to spend that kind of money on lawyers, publicity etc., not that golden glory actually spent that money on legal fees etc. for Overeem.

This is a complete diversion and not relevant to the situation at all, all that matters is what GG did for Overeem, not whatever dog and pony show Bas has going on in his own life and point in his career (which are very different from Overeem).

In all probability, Overeem is not getting jack from his management that his talent and rise wouldn't have gotten him anyway. He certainly hasn't been involved in any legal battles etc. that would account for 35% of his income going to legal fees etc. Actually no they're even worse than him managing himself because they couldn't even get him paid for all his K1 fights. They're leeching money for doing nothing, it's not about Overeem's greed, they're the greedy ones.

Do his trainers deserve some credit for his improvement in fighting? Maybe. His management? Those are completely separate. What exactly did they do that any other top level fighter isn't getting on his own anyway?

I mean let me get what you're saying ... a guy should give 35% of his hard work to his "management" (i.e. people who do nothing), another 30-40% of the remaining in direct income taxes to the government (i.e. people who also do nothing), the remaining money is taxed to shit ON TOP of all this in the form of sales taxes, VAT etc. for everything he buys, pays for his own (mandatory in Europe) health insurance etc., and he only gets to keep the handful of percents that's left from all his hard work, and HE'S the greedy one? Not all those parasites living off his hard work?
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