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Old 11-22-2011, 12:15 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Rogan made that stoppage seem a lot worse than it was. Cung was just laying there holding a leg, he was doing nothing to protect himself, he was laying flat on his stomach not fighting for the take down. You can't do that.

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He was doing something to protect himself... he was turning his head ... so that the strikes would land on the back of the head instead of the side... with the understanding that those are illegal strikes and that the ref would stop em.

So riddle me this... whose fault is that?

From what I gather, the rule is in place to keep fighters from purposely targeting the back of their opponents head because its dangerous.

So Cung is in trouble... he shoots for a leg... takes some shots on the side of the head... turns his head 'on purpose' with the hope the ref stops em... meanwhile Wandy is just going all berserker rage... throwing punches at some guy trying to snuggle his nose into his nads...

Yeah, I know... they were indeed illegal strikes... and yeah, its like the 3 point grounded rule for knees to the head.
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I believe that these hits wasn't the reason that Le lost. BUT, it's very critical for the UFC to take care of this matter because the consequences are HUGE! In boxing there are guys dead in the ring cause of these strikes. Figthters like Wanderlei and Belfort MUST be more careful..
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I noticed that too and this seems to happen all the time when the fighter has his opponent somewhat rocked. Seems like Vitor always gets away with it too, happened to Franklin where he wasn't 'out' until he got hit in the back of the head, and happened to Akiyama.

I think the refs really need to watch out for this because it can be really detrimental to the well being of fighters late in their careers. You can obviously take more damage to the front of your face then the back.
Man, Vitor is the first person I thought of too. He finishes with illegal strikes all the time, but because they are happening so fast it just seems to be missed in the chaos.
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I believe that these hits wasn't the reason that Le lost. BUT, it's very critical for the UFC to take care of this matter because the consequences are HUGE! In boxing there are guys dead in the ring cause of these strikes. Figthters like Wanderlei and Belfort MUST be more careful..
WHA?!?! dude, Cung turned his head ON PURPOSE so tha the ref would stop it.

So you blame Wandy for Cung getting shots to the back of the head ?!?

Cung isnt even blaming Wandy for this... hes blaming the ref for not stopping it.

its like you are getting continuously punched in the stomach, so you jump up so that the punches hit you in the nuts ... then complain that the ref should watch out for shots to the groin...yeesh
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WHA?!?! dude, Cung turned his head ON PURPOSE so tha the ref would stop it.

So you blame Wandy for Cung getting shots to the back of the head ?!?
Fighters do that all the time. They position their head so the only available shot is to the back of the head so that you can't hit them anymore. It's a rule so I don't blame a fighter for taking advantage of it.

As for the stoppage, I am not sure if it was a good stoppage or not, but seemed ok to me. Cung wasn't lasting much longer anyway. Probably just saved him from getting a worse beating.
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Fighters do that all the time. They position their head so the only available shot is to the back of the head so that you can't hit them anymore. It's a rule so I don't blame a fighter for taking advantage of it.

As for the stoppage, I am not sure if it was a good stoppage or not, but seemed ok to me. Cung wasn't lasting much longer anyway. Probably just saved him from getting a worse beating.
only 10 seconds left so i didnt like it. although i think wand would of finished in the 3rd, Cung was tired and a little disheartened by all the damage:/

I really hope Cung has one more fight in the UFC but i dont know his body is looking old and for his energetic style is a major problem. Prove me wrong cung!
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Go watch the Henderson v Fedor fight and talk to me about shots to the back of the head.

Most fighters get away with them.
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Fighters do that all the time. They position their head so the only available shot is to the back of the head so that you can't hit them anymore. It's a rule so I don't blame a fighter for taking advantage of it.

As for the stoppage, I am not sure if it was a good stoppage or not, but seemed ok to me. Cung wasn't lasting much longer anyway. Probably just saved him from getting a worse beating.
Exactly... its a rule... and he was taking advantage of it.

So really, when he decided to turn his head... did he think Wandy was gonna stop instantly?

He knew what he was getting himself into by turning his head... so how can he complain about the back of head hurtin?

He was gonna eat some blows regardless... ie. you actually have to get 'hit' first

IMHO, it was an early stoppage... but the shots he ate at the end was his own doing. heh, im so Wandy bias
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only 10 seconds left so i didnt like it. although i think wand would of finished in the 3rd, Cung was tired and a little disheartened by all the damage:/

I really hope Cung has one more fight in the UFC but i dont know his body is looking old and for his energetic style is a major problem. Prove me wrong cung!
Meh, who knows what woulda happened in round 3

Although watching Cung's kicks was completely crazy awesome to see.

Honestly, after Cung clocked em with the spinning back fist... he shoulda followed up with a takedown + g&p... instead, he goes for the roundhouse ... just barely whizzing past Wandy's head. Honestly, had that connected it woulda been a heckofa highlight.

But thats the thing... I think Cung can put on a real flashy show .. in lieu of a win though.

Had this been Cung vs Chael, it woulda been hella borning.
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I noticed that too and this seems to happen all the time when the fighter has his opponent somewhat rocked. Seems like Vitor always gets away with it too, happened to Franklin where he wasn't 'out' until he got hit in the back of the head, and happened to Akiyama.
I thought of Vitor as soon as I saw the thread title(who didn't, really?)

"Shots-to-the-back-of-the-head" should be renamed "vitor-punches". It rolls off the tongue nicely, and could save valuable time when the situation arises.

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Rogan made that stoppage seem a lot worse than it was. Cung was just laying there holding a leg, he was doing nothing to protect himself, he was laying flat on his stomach not fighting for the take down. You can't do that.

Rogan annoyed the hell out of me in this fight. Which he usually doesn't do, but he was rubbing one out to Cung Le's TKD kicks, it was annoying as hell.
No doubt. Rogan's commentary sounded pretty biased in this one. I realize that he's gotta hype up the fighter making his UFC debut, but it sounded like he was gonna cut to a trailer for Cung's next movie any second. You could be forgiven if you forgot Le's opponent is a former long-time champ(in the BIG LEAGUES) and one of the most beloved fighters ever to grace the sport.

That stoppage(at worst) could be considered a little early. We've all seen substantially worse on a seemingly regular basis. Squeezing a dude's leg while he's smashing your skull into oblivion isn't usually the best defense. It was like watching the end of Carwin/Mir.

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only 10 seconds left so i didnt like it. although i think wand would of finished in the 3rd, Cung was tired and a little disheartened by all the damage:/
Refs get paid to watch the fighters... not the clock. Ten more seconds the way that fight was going and Le wouldn't be able to spell his name anymore. Fighter safety has to take precedence.
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