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Old 12-04-2011, 05:38 AM   #11 (permalink)
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something been overlooked right now is the very real possibility that Munoz could beat Sonnen, its not that far fetched, could be a very close fight, and I give Munoz the better chance of ending the fight before the distance, although I favour the fight to Sonnen should it go the distance which is where the smart money would be Sonnen via decision, but still I would not right Munoz off not by a long shot.
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Sonnen should go fcuk himself, look at Bispings record then look at his and tell me WHo is the REAL No.1 contender
You can't judge fighters by their records. Based on Bispings performance, Sonnen is in much better shape to give Silva a fight than Bisping.

Also, look the quality of opponents Bisping has faced, vs the quality of opponents Sonnen has.

Bisping has faced middle of the road, slightly above average (in UFC ranking) fighters his whole career. The big 3 fights he has been given - Evans, Henderson and Wandy - he lost.

I've always felt that the UFC has given Bisping favourable fights in order to keep Bisping relevant, and give UK fans somebody to cheer for.
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Old 12-04-2011, 01:16 PM   #13 (permalink)
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You can't judge fighters by their records. Based on Bispings performance, Sonnen is in much better shape to give Silva a fight than Bisping.

Also, look the quality of opponents Bisping has faced, vs the quality of opponents Sonnen has.

Bisping has faced middle of the road, slightly above average (in UFC ranking) fighters his whole career. The big 3 fights he has been given - Evans, Henderson and Wandy - he lost.

I've always felt that the UFC has given Bisping favourable fights in order to keep Bisping relevant, and give UK fans somebody to cheer for.
If your going to judge Bisping on the shape he is in look at the bigger picture, Bisping is legendary for been in great shape and having great cardio coming into a fight. So he comes into the Mayhem fight a little out of shape and get a little gassed, dam look at how gassed Miller was as well, I think its fair to say that not having a full training camp due to coaching on TUF took its toll on both fighters, Bisping took the blow much better than Miller and gassed a lot less I might add so is naturally in much better shape than a fighter given the same disadvantage to get in match shape.

No way does Bisping not take a full camp going into a title shot against Silva and get himself into the great shape that he is very well know for, and he would have till next summer to do it, easy for him to get back in shape by then, so if given the title shot next no way does he come into the title fight in anything but great shape as has always been the case aside from the one off occasion with exception circumstances we saw last night.
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Old 12-04-2011, 01:46 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Sonnen should go fcuk himself, look at Bispings record then look at his and tell me WHo is the REAL No.1 contender, Bisping deserves the title shot more than Sonnen right now, there is no doubt.

Sonnen you lost your chance to fight for the title which you won against the most over rated fighter at the time in the diivison (Nate) get over it, go **** yourself you cheating thefting lying bast@rd, hope you can never shoot your load again you important prick at least that way you can never reproduce and risk creating another scum bag like yourself to infest the planet.

Your win against Stann does not mean shit, was a bad stylistic match up from the start, Stann's ground game sucks ass, why not go and test your weakness against someone who opposes a threat to you in the division like Rousimar Palhares if you think you are the best fighter in the division you chicken skin flin fcuk.
This is borderline retarded.

Chael rolled right over Okami and Marquardt, two fighters who would undoubtedly beat Bisping. Hell, I'd even favour Stann against the Brit. Mike has made a career out of defeating mediocre fighters, so of course his padded record might seem a bit more impressive to someone unwilling to look beyond the surface. Hell, I doubt Bisping could even defeat a Mayhem Miller with cardio. So who amongst his list of names am I meant to be impressed by? Elvis? Jorge? Give me a break.

Bisping, on his best day, offers absolutely nothing to Anderson Silva. Chael will at least give him a fight. Your post is so ridiculously laden with bias it's not even worth taking seriously. I only wish that Sonnen vs. Bisping was happening, so that Chael could show you just how undeserving of contention The Count truly is.

Edit - I apologize. This guy's blatantly biased and one sided posts just bring out the worst in me. I should say that I have a heck of a lot of respect for Michael Bisping, the fighter. And I even gained a little bit of respect for Michael Bisping, the man, last night. He is a solid fighter, and his name will always be relevant... but I don't believe he'll ever be champion, or even a top contender. Bisping, while good, will be knocked right back down the ladder by any top five fighter in the division... Chael, Vitor, Munoz, Anderson, etc. I can't even see him getting by Wandy or Belcher, either of whom should be his next fight.
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Sonnen should go fcuk himself, look at Bispings record then look at his and tell me WHo is the REAL No.1 contender, Bisping deserves the title shot more than Sonnen right now, there is no doubt.

Sonnen you lost your chance to fight for the title which you won against the most over rated fighter at the time in the diivison (Nate) get over it, go **** yourself you cheating thefting lying bast@rd, hope you can never shoot your load again you important prick at least that way you can never reproduce and risk creating another scum bag like yourself to infest the planet.

Your win against Stann does not mean shit, was a bad stylistic match up from the start, Stann's ground game sucks ass, why not go and test your weakness against someone who opposes a threat to you in the division like Rousimar Palhares if you think you are the best fighter in the division you chicken skin flin fcuk.
Why doesn't Palhares beat someone worth a damn first?

Btw, correct me if I'm wrong but before UFC 109, whose the top contender after Vitor Belfort?

Nate Marquardt.

And Sonnen shut him down completely, then he gave Anderson the fight of his life than he absolutely shut down Brian Stann AND he has a recent victory over Yushin Okami and if Chael beats Munoz it's undisputed, he's the number one contender.

Bisping hasn't done shit to warrant a title shot, Mayhem had lost to every good fighter he ever fought, Rivera is a can, Akiyama was coming off a loss to Leben before the Bisping fight and Dan Miller whose a tough fighter but not exactly elite.
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Bisping is able to stuff all Miller takedown attempt.
Did you see the first round of the fight?
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I beg to differ.


Can you imagine with Sonnen and Bisping verbal skills, what a rivalry will they create?

I would love for Sonnen to beat the hack out of Bisping. Bisping is able to stuff all Miller takedown attempt. But Sonnen takendown is on another level.
Except for, you know, that entire first round where Miller took him down and controlled him the entire time...
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I'll admit i kinda became a bisping fan due to his post fight interview. He seems real and humble, however i still don't think he is an elite fighter. Don't think he will ever be there.

His record is nice, but who is the toughest opponent he has defeated? He has a lot of work to do before he is consider a contender imo.
I see that a lot with fighters. The real humility in the cage right after a fight.

But later on that night, in the interview with Helwani he was barkin' up the jerk tree again.

I remember after 117 Sonnen seemed very humble and self-effacing in the post fight conference. I was really surprised, he called Silva the better man, said he was heart broken, said Silva was honest about the injury and is the kind of guy who would willingly fight injured, etc. And then the next day he ramped his douche-swag up to 9001 again.

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Except for, you know, that entire first round where Miller took him down and controlled him the entire time...
What? Nah...

Its not like Miller mounted him against the fence and spent a fair portion of the round there punching while Bisping begged the ref to stand it up...
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Except for, you know, that entire first round where Miller took him down and controlled him the entire time...
He held him in the same spot for a good 2 minutes doing little to zero damage in the process...
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This is borderline retarded.

Chael rolled right over Okami and Marquardt, two fighters who would undoubtedly beat Bisping. Hell, I'd even favour Stann against the Brit. Mike has made a career out of defeating mediocre fighters, so of course his padded record might seem a bit more impressive to someone unwilling to look beyond the surface. Hell, I doubt Bisping could even defeat a Mayhem Miller with cardio. So who amongst his list of names am I meant to be impressed by? Elvis? Jorge? Give me a break.

Bisping, on his best day, offers absolutely nothing to Anderson Silva. Chael will at least give him a fight. Your post is so ridiculously laden with bias it's not even worth taking seriously. I only wish that Sonnen vs. Bisping was happening, so that Chael could show you just how undeserving of contention The Count truly is.

Edit - I apologize. This guy's blatantly biased and one sided posts just bring out the worst in me. I should say that I have a heck of a lot of respect for Michael Bisping, the fighter. And I even gained a little bit of respect for Michael Bisping, the man, last night. He is a solid fighter, and his name will always be relevant... but I don't believe he'll ever be champion, or even a top contender. Bisping, while good, will be knocked right back down the ladder by any top five fighter in the division... Chael, Vitor, Munoz, Anderson, etc. I can't even see him getting by Wandy or Belcher, either of whom should be his next fight.
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