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Old 12-05-2011, 12:34 PM   #21 (permalink)
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One of 2 ways you can go about the weight cutting (as I agree, most fighters cut weigh too much).

1. Same day weigh ins

or my personal option

2. Friday weigh ins and on fight night you cant weigh more than 10 lbs over the limit....with how the divisions are set now I think you have to allow for some weight cutting.
Why be complicated. If you are contesting a belt. Say 155. Then you have to weigh 155 or less as you enter the cage. No room for confusion and deception. Very much like:-

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wiegh them as they get to the cage. If the challenger doesn't make weight he can't win the belt, if the champ doesn't make weight he vacates it. If it's a non-title fight the fighter over gives a % of his purse to the other based on how many pounds over he is. No more dehydration, no more gassing.
... which would work perfectly.
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Old 12-05-2011, 12:35 PM   #22 (permalink)
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If cutting weight wasn't such a huge advantage (on the whole, there are exceptions) then fighters wouldn't put themselves through the misery of doing it.

All other things equal; put your money on the bigger guy... A failed cut (miss weight, poor cardio) is a risk they take when trying to find that extra size advantage in the cage.

It is a science behind the sport.

I can understand wanting to weight fighters the time of the match but from an entertainment/business perspective it doesn't make sense.
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Old 12-05-2011, 12:40 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I thought it was for health reasons - these guys are so motivated they'll cut the weight either way, but if it's the day before they'll get a chance rehydrate and could reduce chance of brain (or any other) injury.
Yes, I've heard that too, but I don't really get that argument.
1. with the weigh in a day before fight night you may get fighters in a fight with a weight difference of 30lbs or even more (assuming one doesn't need to cut weight and the other is drastically cutting to make weight). This significantly increases the amount of damage the heavier guy can do and thereby increases the health danger for the lighter guy. So if they take health reasons as an argument, why only to protect the guy who cuts weight and not also to protect the guy who actually fights with the correct weight¿
2. drastic weight cutting for fight night weigh ins would significantly decrease the performance of the fighters, which would lead to more losses for fighters that don't fight at the correct weight class and therefore make them limit their weight cut and rather fight at their correct weight class.
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Old 12-05-2011, 12:45 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I have always been for same day weigh ins. And I always get talked down to Like I'm a noob who doesn't understand any thing.

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Totally agree.

I would be worried though, that fighters would still try to cut weight and then enter the cage severely dehydrated.

I don't know a good answer to the problem but I completely agree with the concept of same day way ins. I just fear that it may not curb the problem much.
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I thought it was for health reasons - these guys are so motivated they'll cut the weight either way, but if it's the day before they'll get a chance rehydrate and could reduce chance of brain (or any other) injury.
That doesn't appear to be the case according to research done by EagleClaw29 on this very forum. Boxing used to have same-day weigh-ins (Pennsylvania apparently still does), but moved them one day earlier. The reason was money, not health concerns - no surprise there.

Pertinent part on why from the link above:

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Same-day weigh-ins got tossed by the wayside back in 1983, when Eddie Mustapha Muhammad came in overweight for a light-heavyweight unification match with Michael Spinks. Back in the day, this was a legit superfight with all the attendant hoopla.

Spinks refused to go through with the fight, even after Eddie proposed just making it a nontitle go. Spinks was pissed because, as he said, he sacrificed and trained hard to make the weight, and if Muhammad couldn’t bother to do the same, then screw it ...

The promoter, HBO, the alphabets and the commissions decided that in the future, all weigh-ins would be the day before, so that a cancellation like this would never happen again.
Even if we there were health concerns, there are also health concerns about cutting weight to make it the day before and re-hydrating. The fighters and coaches would adjust their strategy accordingly, and guys would fight in their "actual" weight class.

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Old 12-05-2011, 01:42 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Totally agree.

I would be worried though, that fighters would still try to cut weight and then enter the cage severely dehydrated.

I don't know a good answer to the problem but I completely agree with the concept of same day way ins. I just fear that it may not curb the problem much.
Yeah, the problem would still persist.
There would always be tha guy cutting weight and risk in a 1st round stoppage (before gassing himself out) taking advantage of size difference.
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As long as there are weight classes, there will always be issues with cutting weight. There will always be guys with a weight advantage one way or another. The only guy that I see having a big weight disadvantage is PJ Penn, but he belongs at a lower division. There are no reasons to change the rules for just a couple of exceptions.

The day before weigh-ins are just another way to hype and market the fight.
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Only problem is, what would happen if one doesn't make weight? For a championship fight let's say.

Aldo misses the weight and loses to Mendes, only to walk away with the belt.
Champion should be stripped of belt and Dana should have ability to crown a new champion. Perfect example being what happened to Sonnen. Filho missed weight, he should have been stripped of his title immediately. Sonnen wins the fight and should have been crowned. Champs benefit from missing weight and that isn't fair. If the challenger loses then title remains vacant until a new fight for the title is scheduled.
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Old 12-05-2011, 02:40 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Before anyone gets on me about this remember this is just my opinion.

First lets not take away personal choice here. We can cry about this being unfair but this is the sport they choose. This is the weight class THEY choose. Imagine if someone makes up a sport to see who could wrestle a shark...isnt anyone that participates making that choice, regardless of the stupidity in it. My point is they make their choices and no one is forcing them to do this.

As for being drained cause of weight cutting this is again them making the decision to fight at this weight class while weighing a certain amount. Frankie Edgar doesnt play that game and is succesful, he made his choice and it has worked out for him. Others have mastered cutting weight, implying that it can be done correctly and safely if you take the time to learn how to and do it properly. Also when you get to the point where you just can't do it then you take the consequences that come wiht that (losing your payday and the respect of many).

When you hire the best trainers and dieters are and by the best facilities are you not preparing yourself and hoping to have an advantage in the fight. So why is it that trying to do something within the rules to make sure you have a size advantage it is wrong or unfair. His opponent has the same options he does, speaking from the perspective of anyone.

Finally, I will leave with this for those that think the 135er's that are actually fly weights have to fight under sized. In basketball when you are 7feet you have to be either a power forward or a center most likely a center. You can be small and fast but then the big guys bully you. Or you can be big and have a hard time chasing around the smaller bigs. The point is if you choose to compete in a sport you have to adapt to the rules. You arent going to be a 7ft point gaurd but you can control what advantages you want to have at your height. Simple as that.
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Old 12-05-2011, 03:15 PM   #30 (permalink)
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I can understand wanting to weight fighters the time of the match but from an entertainment/business perspective it doesn't make sense.
Except it does make business sense. Fighters like Thiago Alves, Anthony Johnson etc. etc. fight at significantly lower levels than they should be able to. From a business sense seeing fighters that fight at 100% of their potential is much more appealing than seeing 2 dehydrated fighters gas in the first round. Atleast once per ufc card the negative effects of weight cutting create significantly less entertaining fights because a guy like Anthony Johnson is so ridiculously drained that he can hardly move. I want to see fighters at their best, not at their heaviest possible weight they can be while still making the weighins.
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