cut the weight cutting! - MMA Forum - UFC Forums - UFC Results - MMA Videos
UFC The Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) is a U.S.-based mixed martial arts organization, recognized as the largest MMA promotion in the world. The UFC is headquartered in Las Vegas, Nevada and is owned and operated by Zuffa, LLC. This promotion is responsible for solidifying the sport's postion in the history-books. UFC is currently undergoing a remarkable surge in popularity, along with greater mainstream media coverage. UFC programming can now be seen on FOX, FX, and FUEL TV in the United States, as well as in 35 other countries worldwide.

Reply

Old 12-05-2011, 08:14 AM   #1 (permalink)
MMA Fanatic
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 56
DraganB is a glorious beacon of lightDraganB is a glorious beacon of lightDraganB is a glorious beacon of lightDraganB is a glorious beacon of lightDraganB is a glorious beacon of lightDraganB is a glorious beacon of lightDraganB is a glorious beacon of lightDraganB is a glorious beacon of lightDraganB is a glorious beacon of lightDraganB is a glorious beacon of lightDraganB is a glorious beacon of light
cut the weight cutting!

After watching the mismatch between Gaudinot and Bedford and hearing Bisping talk about nearly missing weight because he "sucked on one to many ice cubes", I couldn't help but be reminded of the paradox of weight cutting.
Let's look at some examples of this paradox.

1. Bisping vs Miller
Here we have two fighters who are the same size and weigh about the same on fight night. Those two fighters are in the same weight class and agree to fight each other. Then they both undergo brutal weight cuts, resulting in one "professional fighter" almost missing weight and the other "professional fighter" completely gassing in the second round after being dominant in the first. All that so they could fight in the same weight class. Which they were already in to begin with.

2. Gaudinot vs Bedford
Here we have two fighters with extreme difference in height and weight. One is fighting in his natural weight class because lower class does not exist. The other cuts extreme amounts of weight and enters the cage with a solid 30-40 pounds more then his opponent. We are talking 25% - 30% size difference. He then proceeds to manhandle his opponent as if he was a child, making the fight and his victory completely irrelevant.

3. BJ Penn vs entire WW division
Here we have a warrior who would fight anyone anytime, actually gaining extra amount of weight (fat) so he could compete with fighters cutting 30 or more pounds to make said weight.


In my opinion, cutting extreme amount of weight on weigh in day only results in lackluster performances, mismatches and is affecting fighter longevity and long term health.

It is also, in my opinion, one of the pitfalls of asian fighters, who are not used to cutting weight in organizations like pride or dream. Then they enter the ufc and are forced to cut weight or fight larger opponents.

What would change if we had weigh ins on fight day and no weight cuts? Nothing. 90% percent of the respective weight class rosters would stay the same (since they all cut the same amounts anyway), we would only have to change the weight limits. Fighters would be healthier, and we would surely see better fights with fighters gassing less often.

What do you think?
DraganB is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 

Old 12-05-2011, 08:24 AM   #2 (permalink)
It's Hammer Time!
 
Hammerlock2.0's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Germany
Posts: 7,939
Hammerlock2.0 Is Beyond A Rankings SystemHammerlock2.0 Is Beyond A Rankings SystemHammerlock2.0 Is Beyond A Rankings SystemHammerlock2.0 Is Beyond A Rankings SystemHammerlock2.0 Is Beyond A Rankings SystemHammerlock2.0 Is Beyond A Rankings SystemHammerlock2.0 Is Beyond A Rankings SystemHammerlock2.0 Is Beyond A Rankings SystemHammerlock2.0 Is Beyond A Rankings SystemHammerlock2.0 Is Beyond A Rankings SystemHammerlock2.0 Is Beyond A Rankings System
I agree. Weight cutting doesn't make any sense whatsoever. The one reason fighters cut weight is because everyone else is doing it and nobody wants to risk weighing less than their opponents.

Sadly you can't make it illegal because there's no way to check all the fighters out there for dehydration.
__________________
Hammerlock2.0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2011, 08:27 AM   #3 (permalink)
LONGHAIRED COUNTRYBOY
 
oldfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: NC.
Posts: 7,310
Blog Entries: 1
oldfan Is Future HOF Materialoldfan Is Future HOF Materialoldfan Is Future HOF Materialoldfan Is Future HOF Materialoldfan Is Future HOF Materialoldfan Is Future HOF Materialoldfan Is Future HOF Materialoldfan Is Future HOF Materialoldfan Is Future HOF Materialoldfan Is Future HOF Materialoldfan Is Future HOF Material
I have always been for same day weigh ins. And I always get talked down to Like I'm a noob who doesn't understand any thing.

I understand this.

Quote:
He died crawling to the scale. Glassy-eyed and pale, his legs too weak to hold him after he had shed nearly 17 pounds in three days, Jeff Reese collapsed and expired on the cold floor of a locker room in Crisler Arena on Dec. 9 in Ann Arbor.

Reese, a junior at Michigan trying to make weight in the 150-pound class for a wrestling meet against Michigan State, spent the last two hours of his life in a plastic suit, riding a stationary bike in a room in which the heat was cranked up to 92�. He was the third college wrestler to die in 33 days. Billy Jack Saylor, a freshman at Campbell University in Buies Creek, N.C., and Joseph LaRosa, a senior at Wisconsin-La Crosse, died in November while cutting weight. Though the official causes of their deaths varied, Reese, Saylor and LaRosa died of the same thing: the self-inflicted torture of drastic weight loss, college wrestling's ugly secret.
more
__________________
oldfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2011, 08:28 AM   #4 (permalink)
MMA Fanatic
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 56
DraganB is a glorious beacon of lightDraganB is a glorious beacon of lightDraganB is a glorious beacon of lightDraganB is a glorious beacon of lightDraganB is a glorious beacon of lightDraganB is a glorious beacon of lightDraganB is a glorious beacon of lightDraganB is a glorious beacon of lightDraganB is a glorious beacon of lightDraganB is a glorious beacon of lightDraganB is a glorious beacon of light
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammerlock2.0 View Post
I agree. Weight cutting doesn't make any sense whatsoever. The one reason fighters cut weight is because everyone else is doing it and nobody wants to risk weighing less than their opponents.

Sadly you can't make it illegal because there's no way to check all the fighters out there for dehydration.
I think moving the weigh-ins to fight day would make most fighters think twice about dehidrating them selves so close to the fight.
DraganB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2011, 08:34 AM   #5 (permalink)
of Nazareth
 
Soojooko's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: The Moon
Posts: 7,590
Soojooko Is Beyond A Rankings SystemSoojooko Is Beyond A Rankings SystemSoojooko Is Beyond A Rankings SystemSoojooko Is Beyond A Rankings SystemSoojooko Is Beyond A Rankings SystemSoojooko Is Beyond A Rankings SystemSoojooko Is Beyond A Rankings SystemSoojooko Is Beyond A Rankings SystemSoojooko Is Beyond A Rankings SystemSoojooko Is Beyond A Rankings SystemSoojooko Is Beyond A Rankings System
+1

They should get weighed within an hour of the fight starting. Stop all this unfair silliness. MMA is about fighting skills, not weight control. Why should somebody who can cut weight comfortably gain an advantage over a more skilled fighter without the metabolism for it?
Soojooko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2011, 08:37 AM   #6 (permalink)
LONGHAIRED COUNTRYBOY
 
oldfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: NC.
Posts: 7,310
Blog Entries: 1
oldfan Is Future HOF Materialoldfan Is Future HOF Materialoldfan Is Future HOF Materialoldfan Is Future HOF Materialoldfan Is Future HOF Materialoldfan Is Future HOF Materialoldfan Is Future HOF Materialoldfan Is Future HOF Materialoldfan Is Future HOF Materialoldfan Is Future HOF Materialoldfan Is Future HOF Material
Quote:
Originally Posted by Soojooko View Post
+1

They should get weighed within an hour of the fight starting. Stop all this unfair silliness. MMA is about fighting skills, not weight control. Why should somebody who can cut weight comfortably gain an advantage over a more skilled fighter without the metabolism for it?


I have been saying this since Tito was champ and fighting guys who actually weighed 205 in the cage.

No one listens
__________________
oldfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2011, 09:08 AM   #7 (permalink)
Megaweight
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 5,308
cdtcpl Is Beloved By Allcdtcpl Is Beloved By Allcdtcpl Is Beloved By Allcdtcpl Is Beloved By Allcdtcpl Is Beloved By Allcdtcpl Is Beloved By Allcdtcpl Is Beloved By Allcdtcpl Is Beloved By Allcdtcpl Is Beloved By Allcdtcpl Is Beloved By Allcdtcpl Is Beloved By All
I agree with same day weigh ins. I think some guys would still weight cut, but guys like Alves would clearly have to move up a weight class.

I wonder what the heavyweight group would look like? I mean guys like Forrest would all of a sudden be fighting 260lb behemoths.
cdtcpl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2011, 09:15 AM   #8 (permalink)
Black Hippy
 
Rauno's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Estonia
Posts: 14,568
Rauno Is A God Among MenRauno Is A God Among MenRauno Is A God Among MenRauno Is A God Among MenRauno Is A God Among MenRauno Is A God Among MenRauno Is A God Among MenRauno Is A God Among MenRauno Is A God Among MenRauno Is A God Among MenRauno Is A God Among Men
Quote:
Originally Posted by Soojooko View Post
+1

They should get weighed within an hour of the fight starting. Stop all this unfair silliness. MMA is about fighting skills, not weight control. Why should somebody who can cut weight comfortably gain an advantage over a more skilled fighter without the metabolism for it?
Only problem is, what would happen if one doesn't make weight? For a championship fight let's say.

Aldo misses the weight and loses to Mendes, only to walk away with the belt.
__________________

Rauno is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2011, 09:35 AM   #9 (permalink)
Welterweight
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Neo-Babylon
Posts: 2,336
Voiceless Is Beloved By AllVoiceless Is Beloved By AllVoiceless Is Beloved By AllVoiceless Is Beloved By AllVoiceless Is Beloved By AllVoiceless Is Beloved By AllVoiceless Is Beloved By AllVoiceless Is Beloved By AllVoiceless Is Beloved By AllVoiceless Is Beloved By AllVoiceless Is Beloved By All
I'm definitely pro same day weigh-ins. Weight classes are absolutely ridiculed by this weight cutting madness.

This is Mixed Martial Arts, not weight watchers!

For the heavier guys they could implement a cruiser weight at 230lbs and make heavy weight an open heavy weight.
Voiceless is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2011, 09:44 AM   #10 (permalink)
Featherweight
 
ASKREN4WIN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 1,070
ASKREN4WIN is on another level nowASKREN4WIN is on another level nowASKREN4WIN is on another level nowASKREN4WIN is on another level nowASKREN4WIN is on another level nowASKREN4WIN is on another level nowASKREN4WIN is on another level nowASKREN4WIN is on another level nowASKREN4WIN is on another level nowASKREN4WIN is on another level nowASKREN4WIN is on another level now
Cutting weight can be a disadvantage as much as it can be an advantage. If you have a bad weight cut you can gas quickly and lose a fight.

Look at Frankie Edgar, he does not cut weight and while he is one of the more smaller LWs he is also one of the fastest with a never ending gas tank.

Maybe the fighter who cut weight should just learn how to do it correctly.

Also, weighing in on the same day would be no problem for wrestlers considering that they weighed on the day they wrestled their entire wrestling career. It would be a great advantage for them.
__________________
Fav Fighters:
BJ
GSP
Askren
JDS
Belcher
Shogun
Fedor
Hendo
Sonnen
ASKREN4WIN is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On

VerticalSports
Baseball Forum Golf Forum Boxing Forum Snowmobile Forum
Basketball Forum Soccer Forum MMA Forum PWC Forum
Football Forum Cricket Forum Wrestling Forum ATV Forum
Hockey Forum Volleyball Forum Paintball Forum Snowboarding Forum
Tennis Forum Rugby Forums Lacrosse Forum Skiing Forums
Copyright (C) Verticalscope Inc SEO by vBSEO 3.3.2
Powered by vBulletin Copyright © 2000-2009 Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.
vBCredits v1.4 Copyright ©2007, PixelFX Studios