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Old 01-16-2012, 04:22 PM   #11 (permalink)
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everything forrest said was spot on, the stuff around the 8 min mark summed up everything about the low payed fighters.
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Old 01-16-2012, 04:33 PM   #12 (permalink)
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No one really talks about it, but the UFC probably can't afford to pay all the fighters big bucks.
They've bought in the last 5 years, Pride, Affliction and Strikeforce. I don't know how much that cost, must if they asked credit to buy those, then they're probably paying those debts up to this day.
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You can not expect UFC fighters to make what NBA players make, as the sport is not even 1% as popular world wide.
on the other hand, looking at what the UFC makes for PPV and copy rights, it makes me think they have to pay fighters more.

I just cant get one thing , if this is such a popular sports as we think, how come a promoter do not get some of the best fighters and make a show which will be sold out and fighters will get the money they deserve...
The record peak rating for an MMA fight is 8.8 million an NFL playoff game did around 40 million the other week. It isn't that popular; it is a mainstream sport but it isn't close to being one of the top ones.
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Comparing NBA with UFC is not a good idea to get things in perspective.
Just compare how many games you have in NBA during a year to UFC events per year...
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Old 01-16-2012, 05:08 PM   #15 (permalink)
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looking at what the UFC makes for PPV and copy rights, it makes me think they have to pay fighters more
First of all, we have NO clue what the UFC makes on a PPV.

Secondly we have NO clue how much any given fighter gets paid per fight!

1. While we do know how much the UFC charges per PPV (roughly $50.00 depending on HD/SD options and location) and we get a rough estimate of how many PPV's are sold, that does not tell us how much they made off the ppv!

For EVERY PPV purchased I would estimate (and this is an educated guess based on working in TV for 15 years now) that the UFC gets about $.50 on every dollar. So they probably gross around $25.00 per buy. The PPV distributor, cable/sat companies and a few others get thier hands on about 50% of the PPV money before the UFC sees a penny.

Then after that the UFC has to pay any fighter that got a cut of the PPV based on total number of PPVs sold.

Then the UFC has its money that it has to use to pay for producing the event, promoting the event, telecasting the event and paying all fighters and all employees and all other overhead!

So sure, the UFC is most likely making a profit, but to say they make a ton and need pay more when we dont know what they make is just illogical!

2. We have no clue what any given fighter makes (with the exception of 1 fighter now, and 1 in the past). We have learned that AO got paid $1,000,000.00 (spread out over 3 fights) signing bonus, $2.00 per PPV after 250,000 PPV's and his show and win money.

For his last fight he made aprox. $1.8million in his first UFC fight. Only $385k of that was his disclosed purse amount. So only about 28% of his income was disclosed.

So does this mean every fighter gets paid 75% of their income in a non-publicly disclosed manner? No, not at all, but many do, some I would assume the percentage is even greater! But it does prove, we dont have a clue what the fighters make!

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I just cant get one thing , if this is such a popular sports as we think, how come a promoter do not get some of the best fighters and make a show which will be sold out and fighters will get the money they deserve...
Other promoters have tried. Affliction started an MMA promotion and paid fighters quite a bit. They failed quite quickly because they had far more expenses than income! You cant just put to fighters in a cage and expect to make MILLIONS off the fight. The UFC knows what they are doing, the have a great business plan!
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UFC fighters at the bottom of the pay grade don't make jack shit. They make bare minimum to get by and maybe even less than that in some cases.

The reality is just like any other company you are payed for performance. Better fighters make more money.

The UFC is in its infancy compared to organizations like the NFL, NBA and NHL. It's not really even fair to compare them, but below are some numbers.

The minimum salary for a rookie in the NBA is $473 604. The maximum salary is Kobe Bryant at $24.8 million.

The min salary for one fight in the UFC is 6 grand to show and 6 to win.

Guys like GSP, Brock etc. are making 400-500 grand for the fight alone excluding sponsorship and pay per view cuts.

Reality is you need to win your fights and prove yourself as a talent to make any good money in the UFC. It is extremely hard to make a living in the UFC if you have not already proven yourself and continue to win fights.

The pay disparity between newcomers and title holders or marketable veterans will always exist, but let's hope that as the sport continues to grow, pay for fighters new to the UFC increases so it makes it easier for them to fully dedicate themselves to the sport by being able to afford the best training and nutrition available to them so we as the fans can see the slower developing talents being able to climb the ladder to the top of their divisions.
As the int. with lorenzo pointed out, bottom level UFC guys actually make decent money compared to bottom level boxing guys. and that pay disparity is FAR bigger, like Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather are talking 20+ Million dollar purses... While espn boxers are making hundreds of dollars.

Of course newcomers get less money its like in music. Your first couple shows you might even have to pay to do! eventually you get a fanbase, bring more people in, start making a little bit at a time, eventually get well known and you can name your price!

they can just throw you into being a millionare unless you already have credentials that show they are making a good investment. you go in knowing it will be a hard road and the first couple fights you will scrape buy, but rise to the challenge and you get the big bucks!
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Personally, even before seeing Dana's side to the story I didn't think ESPN's editing made their story very convincing at all. Their only fighter to speak on camera was Frank, who looked rough as ****. And they points were pretty poor.

My opinion is that the way the UFC pays now is pretty perfect. The bottom of the chain get a decent ammount, more than your average working person, but not huge ammounts. While if you are successful you can retire before you hit 40, or 30 if you like. It's funny, people will be talking in general and say 'oh those footballers are way overpaid', then complain that fighters arn't paid the same as footballers. I mean... really. I think it's fine as it is. Maybe a minimum pay of 10/10 would make things that little easier for the bottom guys to succeed, but other than that, its good.
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Old 01-16-2012, 08:14 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Unfortunately us here in Ireland have to watch ESPN to see live cards. Hopefully Sky Sports will take over when the deal ends in August
I thought you could go to the ufc's website use a "slingbox" to your TV and view a it in HD?
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Old 01-16-2012, 09:14 PM   #19 (permalink)
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The issue here isn't just that the low-tier guys aren't getting paid enough; the charge is that the UFC is holding wages down through a monopoly. But the UFC isn't a true monopoly...there are countless small shows that would quickly become big shows if the UFC was really low-balling its fighters. This was Affliction's business model; they thought the fighters were worth more than the UFC was paying them, and adjusted their salary scale accordingly. After a year or so, they were bankrupt.

The guys making 6/6 should consider themselves lucky. No one wants to spend money to watch people they've never heard of. They only make 6/6 because they're riding someone else's name (usually the headliner's). As crazy as it sounds, the guys making 6/6 are probably overpaid and the headliners are underpaid.
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2. We have no clue what any given fighter makes (with the exception of 1 fighter now, and 1 in the past). We have learned that AO got paid $1,000,000.00 (spread out over 3 fights) signing bonus, $2.00 per PPV after 250,000 PPV's and his show and win money.

For his last fight he made aprox. $1.8million in his first UFC fight. Only $385k of that was his disclosed purse amount. So only about 28% of his income was disclosed.

So does this mean every fighter gets paid 75% of their income in a non-publicly disclosed manner? No, not at all, but many do, some I would assume the percentage is even greater! But it does prove, we dont have a clue what the fighters make!
Lorenzo already said 29 fighters get a pay per view cut.
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