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Old 07-10-2006, 04:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question: when Hughes won his belt

Iíve had a question and itís probably an old debate around here but I figured this is the place I can find an answer.

I saw a rerun of a Hughes fight on Spike a bit ago and I think it was the fight where he won his welterweight belt. I canít recall the guyís name he was fighting but Iíve seen him in some Pride fight reruns as well. Heís a dark skinned very good Jujitsu guy.

Anyway, the end of the fight, Hughes was caught in a triangle and picked the guy up against the top of the octagon. Then he seemed to slam him to the ground knocking him out, the ref then stopped the fight and gave a ďsurprisedĒ Hughes the win.

The replay however looked as if Hughes actually passed out from the choke and just fell limp and it just happened to knock the other guy out. He happened to come to first and was stunned to see he had won. Now what Iím wondering is, what is the UFCís rule for that type of a situation? I donít know that it was recognized by the ref, but if Hughes passed out first, does he loose the instant he passed out and therefore the other guy had won as he was falling? Or is it whoever regains consciousness first?

Iíve been curious about this fight ever since I saw it. I wonder how that other guy is doing because he seemed to be a very skilled fighter that might have actually won that fight??

Thanks for enlightening me on this one!

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Old 07-10-2006, 05:15 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 07-10-2006, 05:20 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Yea thatís him. Just looked him up. It looks like he hasnít been doing so well, 12-10.

Anyhow, any ideas on what happened in that fight if you saw it? Or anyone know the subtleties of the rules in that case?
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Old 07-10-2006, 05:28 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I think the decision is up to the referee. He obviously saw Newton KO'd, and if Hughes passed out, it wasn't as obvious as the Newton KO.
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Old 07-10-2006, 05:34 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I think the decision is up to the referee. He obviously saw Newton KO'd, and if Hughes passed out, it wasn't as obvious as the Newton KO.
Video anyone of this fight?
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Old 07-10-2006, 07:17 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Here is the fight clip. Hopefully it works. someone write back and tell me if it does.. thanks http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance...s/video/194238
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Old 07-10-2006, 07:37 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Yea that's the fight! Thanks for posting that. It's a great fight but if you watch the end. Look at Matt's hands when he drops. He's out too, and I would wager he went out on the way down, technically first. I was just wonder what the "rules" say about that.
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That slam on Carlos Newton was particularly vicious and more obvious to the referee than Hughes passing out on top of Newton.
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That slam is an example of what Hughes is known for. Hughes even said after the fight that he blacked out after the slam, but I guess since they both blacked out and he was the aggressor it went in his favor.
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Real time vs. replay?

You seem to react as I did when I saw this fight live the first time. I thought that Matt put Carlos on the cage to set up a big slam. It did seem to take Matt a long time to complete the slam. After the slam, when Matt popped up and Carlos didn't, I assumed the slam had worked (sometimes it doesn't when you are in the triangle choke) and Matt had won. It wasn't until they aired the replay that fans started to say that Matt was out first. It does seem ironic that the worlds most dominant little boy was actually choked out and he won the title. I try to think of it this way. In a fight at a bar, who would you rather be, the guy who passes out first, or the guy who wakes up first?

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