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Bisping is a top 5 middleweight!

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#1 · (Edited)
love him or hate him, for all the bisping haters without letting your hate for him cloud your judgment, do you agree bisping is top 5? if not then name the fighters that are ranked ahead of him in the MW division.

its amazing how many clowns on this forum think he isnt even top 10, some haters go as far as saying he is just top 20.

tonight's performance against the no.2 MW in the world puts him top 5 for sure in my opinion.

thoughts?
 
#2 ·
No, he had a good performance against Chael but he's still yet to beat a top ten opponent that said I do think he's top ten though but I'd put Anderson, Chael, Okami, Munoz, and Vitor in my top five even though Vitor's not really fighting elite fighters either I think everyone can agree that Vitor beats guys like Maia, Bisping, Belcher, and Weidman.
 
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#3 ·
personally, i saw Bisping as a top 5 MW before this fight. this was my top 5 going into tonight:

Silva
Sonnen
Bisping
Belfort
Okami

... and to be honest, i don't think this fight moves bisping down. in fact, i think he solidifies his spot as #3.

i would like to see him fight Okami or Belfort
 
#5 ·
I personally would rank him in the top 5 based on who I feel he could beat regardless if some1 on an inet board believes he has/not beaton a top 10 fighter or not.....

MY TOP 5 MWs:

Silva
Sonnen
Belfort
Bisping
Okami

I would like to see him fight Belfort but I can see where he could knock Bisping out but can also see where it could be a great fight.....
 
#6 ·
I don't see how you could rank him higher than Vitor, and as good as he looked tonight, the fact remains... he lost yet again to a top 5 MW. I fully believe that Mike can hang with a guy like Okami or Munoz, something I didn't before, but it'd be nice to see him actually secure one of those wins before officially moving him up the ladder.

As of right now, I've got Anderson, Chael, and Vitor ahead of him. And we can't ignore that he lost to Wanderlei. That's four fighters right there who I place before him. I think he's certainly on the cusp, but put him in there with Okami or Munoz and then we'll talk. I actually believe he has a real chance of winning those fights, but again... he has to actually defeat a top ranked fighter before I can officially place him amongst the top ranked fighters, lol.
 
#28 ·
I don't see how you could rank him higher than Vitor, and as good as he looked tonight, the fact remains... he lost yet again to a top 5 MW. I fully believe that Mike can hang with a guy like Okami or Munoz, something I didn't before, but it'd be nice to see him actually secure one of those wins before officially moving him up the ladder.
That's how I feel as well, he ain't a top 5 till he beats one. On paper he could do it, but he hasn't done it yet. I'd be fine with saying he's a potential top 5 or that he has top 5 skills, but he isn't a top 5 fighter till he beats one. So far I have Anderson, Belfort, Sonnen, Okami, and Wanderlei ahead of him, with him & Munoz being pretty close to tied. I also see Cung Le being able to give him a ton of trouble up until he gasses & slows down.
 
#7 ·
Okami seems like a logical fight, he's fighting Boestch next month and should handle him fairly easily, he might get Munoz but he's gonna have to wait until June for that. Bisping/Okami sounds alright to me though.
 
#9 ·
I will say that a part of me feels like Okami is a step down for Bisping. Fact is, he held his own against the number 2 middleweight in the UFC, and in my mind, he should have the opportunity to face the obvious number 3 in Vitor. If we're going to test Michael Bisping, then let's actually test him.
 
#10 ·
Personally I feel Munoz is the number 3 guy with Okami at the 4 spot, both are more accomplished than Vitor in the UFC Middleweight division.
 
#11 ·
I know a lot of people don't like Bisping but c'mon, after tonight people have to give him the respect he rightfully deserves as a fighter. Pretty much everyone thought he was going to be run through by the Chael train but that obviously wasn't the case. Bisping is definitely a top 5 MW in the UFC. He proved he wasn't a cake walk, kudos to him
 
#14 ·
Seems like Bisping is better against ground fighters than he is vs strikers. Silva, Hammil and Hendo were able to outstrike him on the feet and Hammil is not known for his striking while Silva is shot.

Bisping matched up well vs Sonnen, but he was lucky it was a 3 rounder - when we got to a point where both were tired Sonnens takedowns and ground skills won the day.
 
#15 ·
I am bisping hater, but i'll give the man his propz...he is a top 5 mw. Put him at number 4-5, facts are the man has lost to 4 guys in his career. 3 of them will end up in the hall of fame, they are wandy,henderson,evans. IMO he did beat chael sonnen...actually i'm gonna put him at number 3, i don't see okami or munoz beating him.
 
#16 ·
I hate Bisping, always will hate Bisping. That being said, dude's a top 5 MW for sure. I think he beats Okami and Stann more time than not. I think the fight to make is Bisping vs Belfort. If Bisping can avoid the power of Vitor, I think if he could clinch him against the cage and dirty box and wrestle him to a UD. I'd also love to see Bisping vs Belcher even though he'd probably grind out a decision. Gotta give it up to the brit though, dudes got heart.
 
#17 ·
good to see some unbiased posts in this thread.

even if you hate the guy with a passion, the dude gets some respect after this performance.

the only guys i put ahead of bisping

Spider, Chael, Vitor...

i think he takes Munoz and Okami.

why do people rank Munoz so highly? he beat a drugged up sloppy brawler who quit on the stool and his biggest win in his most recent streak is Maia who has lost 2 of 3.

think of it like this: in chaels last 6 fights (including title fight with spider) no one has given him trouble. he dominated all those fights. we thought he was going to do the same to bisping but it was a hell of a fight from the brit.

and NO, stann is not ranked ahead of bisping..
 
#18 ·
good to see some unbiased posts in this thread.

even if you hate the guy with a passion, the dude gets some respect after this performance.

the only guys i put ahead of bisping

Spider, Chael, Vitor...

i think he takes Munoz and Okami.

why do people rank Munoz so highly? he beat a drugged up sloppy brawler who quit on the stool and his biggest win in his most recent streak is Maia who has lost 2 of 3.

think of it like this: in chaels last 6 fights (including title fight with spider) no one has given him trouble. he dominated all those fights. we thought he was going to do the same to bisping but it was a hell of a fight from the brit.

and NO, stann is not ranked ahead of bisping..
That is very debatable. Stann has an iron jaw and dynamite in his fist. Bisping isn't taking Stann down. Bisping isn't knocking Stann out. He would have to out point him for 3 or 5 rounds and hope that Stann doesn't connect with his bombs.

I would actually bet a nice chunk of money on that fight especially if Stann was the underdog.
 
#20 ·
I got a gut feeling that it'll be Bisping vs Belfort next

for him fighting Stann or Okami would be a step back IMO, Munoz could be a good fight but Belfort will be the most exciting match up for Bisping now, probably the next #1 contender fight
 
#21 ·
How are Okami and Munoz step backs? Bisping has still yet to beat a top ten fighter, Okami and Munoz are in the top five, I'd say that's a step forward.
 
#22 ·
I was already sort of suspecting that Bisping was an under-the-radar top 5 MW before this fight, however I did not see him being able to win a round against Chael. So in that regard, he surprised me, yet I'm not too surprised overall. Watching the fight live, I suspected a judge or two might have seen Rd 1 for Bisping, mainly because of his TDD. The other two rounds were easy to score.

That said, in retrospect, Bisping did not win that fight, officially nor unofficially. When the judges, compustrike, and fightmetric all agree, it is what is. But it wasn't 30-27!

If Chael Sonnen officially calls you a badass, you wear that with pride, Mr. Bisping!
 
#26 ·
I think that Bisping is a top grappler, and has a very underrated JJ game. He is overrated as a striker. If he was able to at times dominate Sonnen against the cage and was actually able to take him down, I would bet that he can do to most of the MW division.

He is really good at stuffing takedowns, and is second to none at popping right back up once he is taken down. He really needs to start using his completeness as a fighter to his advantage. He should never try to bang with guys with weak TDD like Belfort or Wanderlei, hopefully he starts to take advantage of his opponents weaknesses from now on.
 
#27 ·
My top 5 would go:-

Anderson Silva
Chael Sonnen
Victor Belfort
Michael Bisping
Yushin Okami

I'd like to see Bisping Vs Belfort for the next #1 contender spot after Sonnen Vs Silva. It would be a great fight that we can only suspect would end in a KO. Bisping did great against Sonnen and showed brilliant defences to the wrestling. He was a little cardio sapped, which isn't really a regular occurence for him, but that is a big part of Sonnen's grinding style. Belfort Vs Bisping wouldn't go like that, so we'd see the best conditioning of Bisping throughout the entire fight.

Another controversial name I'm going to throw out there is Wanderlei Silva. After what happened with Cung Le, I see him being able to throw a spanner in the works for any title contender and should be avoided by everyone hoping for a shot soon. He got the W over Bisping two years ago and would definently have the chance to ruin his plans once again.
 
#33 ·
It's funny you say this, I too want a #1 contender showdown with Vitor vs. Bisping. The problem is, Bisping just lost and Belfort is fighting W. Silva after TUF in Brazil.

That fight will send off Silva, as he stated that was the last match he wanted before retirement.

At that point I'm sure Bisping would have to fight again, maybe Munoz?
 
#37 ·
Exactly. Somebody with a bit of sense at last.

Outside of Silva and to a lesser degree Sonnen, the rest are no better then each other as far of fights go. Maia beat Sonnen 3 YEARS AGO. Munoz beat Maia, but then who? And Vitor has beaten who exactly at MW? None of them have more than a single credible win. As for Stann?? Please.

At least Silva and Sonnen have some juicy names on their resume.

There is a very strong argument for Bisping being top 5. Think about what Sonnen did to Marquart, Okami and Silva and compare that to the fight Bisping game him.
 
#38 ·
Im not a Bisping fan, but I have no problem calling him a top 5 MW after the fight against Sonnen.

I still think Sonnen had a bad weight cut and gassed a bit, but still Bisping gave him a tough fight.

Ive always said Bisping had under rates wrestling a TDD. His is probobly the best out of all of the non-wrestlers in the division.
 
#43 ·
I would have Bisping in my top 5 but I think he does suffer from being a jack of all trades and master of none. He is one of the most well rounded fighters in MMA but lacks any real weapons. His boxing and cardio are fantastic but aren't scary to other fighters as he lacks real KO power. A technical strikers with KO power will always trouble him.
 
#44 ·
I think you probably explained why I always underestimate Bisping. So let me start off with some +rep and a thank you.

I have him in my top 10 (trust me, higher than I have ever had him as my dislike for him and his fighting style had me rank him lower). I think he is clearly #6 or #7, and that he is only another fight away from a top 5 guy to making it to top 5 on my list.

Still I won't underestimate him again. I am still not a fan but I will say this fight removed the blinders I placed on myself about him.
 
#46 ·
I think Okami takes it solely because of his patience. Bisping seems to like guys that come in on him so he doesn't have to close the distance and Okami would make it so Bisping would have to come to him. Still I agree with your match up and I would love to see Bisping vs Okami!
 
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